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Are the good times about to end?

One topic is cropping up a lot in my conversations with investors. It is, you may not be surprised to read as the bull market approaches its third birthday, a variant of: ‘are the good times about to end?’ It’s a good question but impossible to answer. Which makes another one possibly more interesting: ‘how much does it matter?’

This is less stupid than it sounds. Of course, we’d all like to avoid market corrections, especially big ones that take a meaningful chunk out of our savings or upset our retirement plans. But given how difficult it is to time the tops and bottoms of the market cycle, it is perhaps more useful to simply understand the risks we are taking by staying or going. And to ask ourselves how we will feel if we call it wrong.

What a recent academic study says

Fortunately for me, three London Business School professors - Marsh, Dimson and Staunton - have crunched the relevant numbers on behalf of UBS’s Global Investment Returns Yearbook. To start with, they have provided some context - the scorecard of the six worst episodes for investors during 125 years of market history from 1900 to 2024.

These periods of shocking investment returns - what people are thinking about when they whisper the crash word - were associated with two world wars, the Great Depression, the 1970s oil shock, the dot.com bust and the financial crisis. Even if you disregard the near total losses incurred by the losers in the two global conflicts, the evisceration of wealth in these periods was dramatic - as much as 80% in real terms in the case of Wall Street after the 1929 crash.

How much these kinds of market falls matter is largely a function of whether you have the liquidity and time to ride them out. The Wall Street crash saw the longest wait until a full recovery had been made - of fifteen and a half years. The other peacetime mega bear markets were quicker to heal. Only two years in nominal terms but ten, adjusted for inflation, during the 1970s bear market. Seven and a half years after the dot.com bust and just over five years after the financial crisis.

These figures all relate to the US market. For American investors, that period after the Wall Street crash is as bad as it got. There’s never been a period of 16 years or longer when you haven’t made money in US shares, even if you had the misfortune to buy right at the top.

For non-US investors the picture is not quite so reassuring. Many countries, including the UK, have always given you a positive return if you held on for 22 years or more. But there are seven countries, including some pretty mainstream investment destinations like Germany, Japan and Italy, for which the shortest period that would guarantee a positive return from shares has been more than half a century.

So, the answer to whether a big market correction matters is: yes, especially if you are not American and not young. For the rest of us, the potential damage to our financial outcomes is inversely proportionate to our investing timescale. By the time you get to my age, the possibility of a life-changing downturn concentrates the mind.

Mixed evidence on diversification protecting portfolios

One of the things I find myself saying when discussing the market’s ups and downs is that diversification can help protect your portfolio from the worst ravages of a correction. The historical evidence on that is mixed.

There is certainly a wide dispersion of returns during the worst periods. For example, during the First World War, while German shares fell by 66%, those in Japan rose by the same margin. British shares were down 36% between 1914 and 1918, but those in the US only fell by 18%.

The more recent peacetime bear markets have tended to be more indiscriminate, however. In 2008, during the financial crisis, US shares fell by 38%, while those in the UK were 33% down and 43% lower in Germany. Japan was off 41%. So not a lot of protection from spreading your bets.

In fact, there is some evidence that correlations rise during periods of crisis and in bear markets. You might say, diversification lets you down when you need it most.

I’d like to think that the much higher valuations in the US market, and the fact that the focus of the artificial intelligence (AI) bubble, if that is what it is, is in America, make things different this time. A tech-focused US market correction could have less of an impact in some of the world’s less stretched markets, like in the UK and some emerging markets. But I don’t think I’d want to rely on this to bail me out if the AI boom does end badly.

Higher rewards come with greater risk

In the long run, stock market investors are rewarded for accepting the risk of investing in a volatile asset class like equities. The reward is measured by the extra return that stock market investors can expect over time compared to those leaving their money in cash or investing in bonds. This equity risk premium has averaged 8% a year since 1900 in America and 6% a year in the UK.

Which is fine if time is on your side. For my young adult kids, my advice remains the same. Be diversified, save as much as you can afford and put your faith in the stock market. For the rest of us, especially those approaching retirement, protecting our gains after several years of strong returns is more than theoretical. If someone had told me during the Covid lockdown that I could double my money in a few years and then lock in a 4% or 5% return thereafter, I might well have bitten their hand off. I’m not surprised that it’s what our investors want to talk about.

 

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7 Comments
JeffO
November 09, 2025

Giving early with a warm hand rather than later with a cold hand has many financial benefits for the beneficiary- paying off excessive non deductible debt, adding to investments, etc etc

And of course boosting the well being of the beneficiary and I’d argue the giver

Kevin
November 07, 2025

Good article,diversification saves nobody. By the time I got to my age I'd learnt .just stay in. The dot com crash,buy more individual companies,they were cheap GFC,do the same,they are cheap. By the time COVID came along I had totally lost interest in stock prices well before Covid,just stay in. Income keeps rising every year,just stay in . Rest of my life I expect income to rise every year,just stay in..
Planning ahead just stay in. For now and planning ahead for great grandchildren that may or may not happen,just stay in. So 13 August this year CBA was bought at $170 each,that will compound for who knows, 30 years,it should be very handy for them then ( if).

For some weird reason I kicked into action again on 3 November buy WES at $84 each, let it compound for 30 years. I think both companies will still be there in 30 years time. See how close I got to picking bottom in this cycle. See if it turns into rags to riches to rags in 3 or 4 generations. They'll all make their own mistakes,and if they start following the crowd then it probably will be rags,riches,rags. At least I started it and went from rags to riches, charities will do well out of it,and I equipped the kids with the tools to get on with the job. I don't really know if they have grasped it yet. Sometimes I think they have got it,they'll win.Sometimes I think why did you come out with that.


Stephen F
November 09, 2025

For some strange reason writers such as Tom Stevenson never mention gold as a diversifier when faced with very high markets. They think diversification among countries is the only answer. We know that the correlation between the US and Australia is quite high at about 70%. We also know there is positive correlation with other world markets. The only real negative correlation with share markets that I am aware of is gold. It went up during the Depression when the Dow Jones went down 90%. Gold went up in the OPEC crisis in 1974. Gold went up in the GFC and also went up in the Covid fall when the Australian market fell 35%. So why do writers such as Tom Stevenson continue to ignore gold? Is it groupthink? Is there some mysterious force telling them that it is forbidden to talk about gold? Is it like the instruction from Basil Fawlty "never mention the war"? Perhaps we will never know.

Kevin
November 09, 2025

Could it be that the people that love gold refuse to see anything else. The 1929 crash was gold not at a fixed price? Oil crisis ,yes,gold went up through the 1970s. From US$~45 to ~ 850.
Were you buying gold during the GFC because the price went up?. I was buying shares because the price went t down. I'll pick 2 here, without checking I don't think I bought anything else. WES at ~$28 in a capital raising,because I thought that was near bottom,it wasn't,so I had nothing left for the $14 capital raising.

CBA at just under ~ $40, I thought that was bottom,it wasn't.The capital raising was at ~$26.I didn't get any,I had nothing left,all cash gone on CBA and WES. They've both gone up a lot since then. Dividends have increased a lot since then. Gold has gone up since then,how much has it paid out in dividends,zero.?

COVID I didn't buy anything,apart from Sydney airport which was taken off me about 12 to 18 months later if I remember correctly..I'd forgotten I'd bought that. I did buy all the capital raisings in WBC,NAB,ANZ and MQG.,they've all gone up in price since then,and paid dividends. How much income have you collected from gold?

Take 3 companies as a proxy NAB,CBA and WES. Since retiring the dividend income that has been taken out has been 6 figures net at an average.Dividend income has gone up every year ( excess income goes back into DRPs).See how those 3 companies go over the next 10 years,I expect the dividend income to be higher than today,and the share prices to be higher than today. Can you do that with gold?

For the last 10 years the nett income taken out has been 7 figures,so $1 million. The value of the portfolio is up much more than $1 million. Can you do that with gold?
The people that love gold really love gold,they are totally blind to the obvious ( the above). What plans have you got to turn gold into an income?

Kevin
November 10, 2025

You can also start a simple index. I don't know what the price of gold was in 1991,from memory I think it fell heavily from the 1980 top and was $300 or around there. I know what CBA and NAB cost ,$6 each . So the index started at 12 for those two and is now at 219 taking CBA at 176 and NAB at 43. Call it an 18x increase. Every year they have produced an income.

What was the lowest gold price you can find in 1991 and is gold at 18x that now,and it has produced no income . Do the same for the all ords or the ASX 200.

Dudley
November 10, 2025


"Can you do that with gold?":
Need to bring out the Time Machine to answer that with certainty.

The question that can be answered with certainty is:
'Could you have done that with gold?'

The Paper Mache Time Machine is sufficient:
https://www.marketindex.com.au/asx/gold/advanced-chart
Add STW as ASX 200 EFT with longest trading HISTORY.
Add CBA and NAB for diversity.

All have been buoyed by money diluted at ~8% / y.

 

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