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Does dividend investing make sense?

Investing for income – known as dividend investing when applied in the stock market – is a strategy that involves investing for yield while planning not to access the capital. Often it entails a preference for high income yields. But necessarily so. Dividend investing may also entail buying stocks that can grow the dividends they pay out over time. Either way, the underlying motivation is investing to capture an income stream.[1]

Income investing can be popular among wealthier individuals. It is often considered suitable for retirees, including parts of the super industry, on the basis that the aim during retirement is to generate ‘income’ to live on.

Does the strategy make sense? There are arguments on both sides, and no definitive answer. The discussion here focuses on dividend investing as a case study.

Arguments in support of dividend investing

  • When investing for long term, only the income matters – Holding a stock indefinitely means the entire ‘return’ comprises the dividend income received. Meanwhile, the share price in the interim may be viewed as largely irrelevant. Adopting this mindset can have behavioural benefits. Specifically, it supports the investor to look through market ‘noise’ and price volatility and encourages them to stay the course and not sell out in response to market declines.
  • Limiting the costs of investing – Holding stocks indefinitely to collect the dividends reduces the cost of investing through minimising transaction costs and potentially capital gains tax (CGT).
  • Capturing franking credits – Franking credits can provide a ‘return bonus’ to the extent that franking is not ‘priced’, i.e. embedded in share prices and hence lower dividend yields and expected returns. The consensus from the academic literature is that franking credits are partially priced at best.
  • Evidence that higher payout ratios are associated with higher earnings growthResearch finds that higher payout ratios (i.e. percentage of earnings paid out as dividends) have historically been associated with higher rather than lower earnings growth as might be expected. This implies that investing in stocks that pay generous dividends offers the potential to generate higher total returns[2].

Arguments that question dividend investing

  • The source of returns is secondary – Wealth generation depends on total return: whether this arises from dividends or capital gains is of limited consequence. Money for spending can be either taken as income or by selling some shares. One modest caveat is that the equivalence may be disrupted by differential tax rates on income versus capital and transaction costs. (Note: The tax impacts are complex.)
  • Dubious strategy for retirement – If the aim is to convert savings into retirement income support of spending during retirement, then dividend investing becomes quite dubious. Only spending the dividends received and not drawing down on the capital guarantees not fully utilising the savings. Worse still, if earnings and dividends rise over time then retirement income will grow. This pattern grates against the propensity for many retirees to decrease spending at older ages. (A caveat here is that retaining and growing capital may be appropriate if the aim is to leave a large bequest.)
  • ‘Never need to sell’ mentality not necessarily beneficial – Adopting a stance of focusing on income while intending to never sell only works if the rationale for holding a stock is enduring. It can work if a blue-chip or growth company can be found that survives and continues to prosper – although finding such stocks is easier said than done. A more important issue is that share price after purchase is not necessarily irrelevant. Dividend yields and expected returns constantly recalibrate as prices fluctuate. If the stock rises too high and the dividend yield decline, it may make sense to sell and redeploy the capital into better opportunities.
  • High dividends yields can be warning sign – High dividend yields may be a sign of unsustainability, i.e. a ‘dividend trap’. Dividends can also be generated by financial engineering, e.g. paying dividends out of capital rather than earnings. For example, a company could raise unneeded equity capital or borrowing to pay a higher dividend, but is essentially distributing capital not income.
  • The game may have changed for franking credits – Many Australian stocks appear highly valued versus their global counterparts (e.g. the banks). This might be a signal that franking credits may have become fully priced.

No substitute for investment fundamentals

What really matters for generating returns is investment fundamentals, rather than whether the returns come in the form of dividends or capital gains. For instance, a company paying out a large portion of their earnings as dividends may be a signal of either capital discipline or an absence of growth opportunities. Conversely, retaining a large portion of earnings could reflect attractive growth potential or reluctance to return capital to shareholder even though it cannot be invested productively. Distinguishing which of such possibilities might apply matters more than the dividend itself. In general, the capacity of a company to create, or at the very least maintain, shareholder value is likely to be the primary determinant of whether a stock can generate good long-term returns for investors. 

Also, a ‘never sell’ mindset can lead to ignoring signs of a fundamental change in a company’s capacity to create value. And it can also carry an investor all the way through into a bubble and out the other side, thus missing the opportunity to redeploy the capital elsewhere on more attractive terms. 

So … does dividend investing make sense?

There is no definitive answer to this question. Dividend investing might work for some investors, most notably wealth accumulators with very long horizons that may benefit from making investment income the focus. The main suggestion for such investors is to pay attention to investment fundamentals and the price paid for the income, and not just adopt a ‘never sell’ mindset. Meanwhile, dividend (i.e. income) investing seems a poor idea in retirement, unless the aim is to leave a large bequest. Basically, it all depends.

 

[1] Here are links to a few articles that pursue this line of thinking: Warren Buffett hates dividends: These charts and ASX 200 stocks make the case for dividend investing; https://www.firstlinks.com.au/an-alternative-asset-class-for-income-seeking-retirees; https://www.firstlinks.com.au/thornhill-living-investment-income-retirement
[2] The evidence on whether high returns are also generated is more mixed. Also, whether the rise of the magnificent seven US tech stocks may change the conclusions is an interesting question.

 

Geoff Warren is a Research Fellow with The Conexus Institute, and an Honorary Associate Professor at the Australian National University.

 

42 Comments
Randall
May 21, 2025

Thanks for a good article. So it may be a bit black and white in arguments. But that said, it takes me back to the basics of what most of us are trying to do which is to replace the 'dividends' /income we reap from 'paid' work with money we generate post 'retirement'. At issue is that I think the needs change as we further mature. Depending on individual needs and desires we may first need some years to further grow our asset base whilst withdrawing minimum amounts from our savings. This would translate into a heavier focus on growth investing than dividend investing. Our capital needs then may include different/new housing or lifestyle right sizing then more income for medical funding then even more for aged care, then more to leave a legacy for community or family or both. So we need capital until death in reality.

Within those needs scenarios, our own capabilities and interest in investing may change from more direct interest in DIY to accepting funds managers' expertise.

It gets more complicated as Governments keep changing the rules and finances enjoy volatility.

I think that it means that your investing style should change as the conditions change.

On detail I challenge the idea that franking credits are a 'return bonus' that is priced in. Not only are the so called credits really pre tax income to the shareholder, my experience is that these credits are priced in as we can see when the companies trade ex dividend.

Your article encouraged me to take another look back at what we have done in our 70s. So performance wise, and via DRPs, we have actually reduced our capital base slightly whilst dividends (and income) have grown somewhat in excess of our withdrawals. As aged care needs approach, we might adapt our portfolios to aim for more growth than dividend income investing.

Steve
May 19, 2025

How much of a companies profit is paid out as a dividend is up to the Board. The lazy way is for the Board to pay a big chunk as a dividend, which you get to either invest elsewhere, reinest in the same company, or spend to live off. If the company does not pay out this money, it should (eventually) appear as a higher share price, but the lazy investor then has to decide whether or not to sell. Much easier if someone decides for me. Then the question is why would a company pay a high dividend? If the company can reinvest cashflow in new assets/production to produce even more money next year, surely they would? So by paying a high dividend they are saying the growth prospects of the business aren't great. Not what you want to hear. Of course they could pay a high dividend and then fund growth via debt, which is great until the growth story falters and the debt becomes a burden. So avoid companies that think that way as a matter of principle.
Personally I try to get around the growth vs income dilemma by having buckets for each objective. I try to have enough income (meaning around 5%) by a blend of fixed interest and shares (mainly ETF's with 50/50 domestic/international and a bias to quality factors). The shares are primarily to drive growth, the fixed interest to provide income with capital stability. The key is having income covered by cash flow there is minimal need to sell growth assets to pay bills and (hopefully) you can ride out market downturns without having to sell at depressed prices, and you have the cash reserves to top up if there is a large sell off ( a simple annual rebalancing will help with this). I know this may be overly conservative for many but with current high stock valuations I struggle to justify an overly aggressive stance (maybe the only thing I could pretend to have in common with my mate Warren B).

Dudley
May 19, 2025

"growth vs income dilemma":

If capital divided by rate of expenditure is greater than longevity, then no need to invest other than to offset inflation, for convenience, for risk mitigation, entertainment or bequests.

Tax rate 0% / y, return 5% / y, inflation 3% / y, expenditure normalised to $1 / y, capital PresentValue normalised to units of expenditure -$25 (- = in fund), capital FutureValue $0:
= NPER(((1 + (1 - 0%) * 5%) / (1 + 3%) - 1), 1, -25, 0)
= 34.55 y [then bust]

Calculation result is non-linear:
= NPER(((1 + (1 - 0%) * 5%) / (1 + 3%) - 1), 1, -51.50, 0)
= 1,838.17 y [#NUM! = infinite time]

If capital divided by rate of expenditure is less than longevity, then need to invest to increase returns to make up the capital deficiency.

Inflation 3%, term 30 y, expenditure normalised to $1 / y, capital PresentValue normalised to units of expenditure -$10 (- = in fund), capital FutureValue $0, tax 15% / y:
= (1 + 3%) * (1 + RATE(30, 1, -10, 0)) / (1 - 15%) - 1
= 14.28% / y [or bust?]

Mark
May 18, 2025

The problem with dividend investing for the finance industry is that if I buy and hold and collect the dividends, they don't get to clip the ticket on me anymore and make all their little %'ges and fees. Poor them.

I'm a dividend investor. Always said I can live off dividends, I can't live off hoped-for Capital Growth

Wildcat
May 18, 2025

The only reason to DRP is the discipline if you need it. Otherwise don’t do it.

My reasoning:
1. Just because something has the highest dividend doesn’t make it the best investment right now. Put the cash in another account and buy when parcel size has built for the best investment at this time.
2. Increasing concentration risk to high dividend companies leading to artificial portfolio tilts.
3. Linked to point, poor diversification you concentrate Australian shares, specifically finance and mining. Over most periods Australian shares don’t perform as well as simple global aggregates. Even excluding the mag 7 period. Total return is more important and unless in pension phase in super so does tax. Franking credits are not a gift. It is your gross income before tax is applied. It’s your money first, just like your gross salary.
4. If you’ve every done a cgt calc, esp on a deceased estate you’ll never use drp. What a headache. Yes it’s easy ‘just keep good records’. It happens but not that often. You end up with 21 cost bases per STOCK every 10 years. I’ve got better things to do with my time thanks.

Kevin
May 18, 2025

Ah,one of the best products ever invented by the industry, concentration risk.The unbreakable power of group think. Think of the name of a company that went bust. If that doesn't prove that concentration risk is real ,what does.

Let's suppose you have say 300K in each of the 3 big drivers for me. CBA,MQG and WES.Quite easy to get,you just needed to spend money say 25 years ago and do nothing,keep using the DRP and the registry does all the work for you.

2030 you retire,after 30 years of everybody doing the same.You let the share registry do the work for you. "They" drone on none stop 'you can't do that" , "what about concentration risk" ,on and on and on.

It's binary,I don't think those companies are going bust, I think they will produce a good retirement income and continued growth over the years.They have done that for me in retirement,I expect it to continue.They may slow down,and any time I like I can cash in. I expect everything the same for the rest of my life "can't do.........". "Concentration risk". "Only free lunch" ( for them).
I'm fairly certain that is the best product they have got,along with the rest of the "fear" products they sell.

You can beat the market,only by owning concentrated portfolios. You want the average return minus costs,do as the industry tells you to do it.Smile while they rake in $$ billions every year on the wonderful "the only free lunch" concept

Dudley
May 19, 2025

"You can beat the market,only by owning concentrated portfolios.":

Can under perform the market, only by owning concentrated portfolios - else get market performance.

Steve
May 19, 2025

Of course you can beat the market. But most professional managers with resources greater than the average person, fail to beat the market most of the time, the failure rate increasing the longer the time period. Of course three winning stocks is great, but can you be sure that these three (or any others) will definitely beat the market for the next 20 years? Of course not. If just one of these goes pear shaped that's your nice retirement in pieces. Safer to come up with a strategy to pick winners at the races every Saturday. By the way I do own all three of these, just not putting all my eggs in one basket. CBA in particular is a concern, they have a very high P/E (if not the most expensive bank in the world, its up there) and operating in a very low growth segment. Something doesn't pass the sniff test........

Dudley
May 18, 2025

"never use drp":

Whether or not DRP, shareholder might have franking credits imputed to them.

If that results in an income tax refund, the refund is paid to the shareholder's bank account - not added to the number of shares owned by the shareholder.

non-DRP: need to consider where to invest dividend and (usually later) any tax refund.
DRP: still need to consider where to invest any tax refund.

DRP does not completely automate dividend reinvestment.

Computer programs accessing brokerage account reduces manual effort of maintaining good accounts.

Goronwy
May 18, 2025

If a company is earning a higher return on its capital than you can investing the cash it pays you, obviously it is better for you that it invests its profits rather than pays them out to you in dividends.

Mark
May 18, 2025

The problem with dividend investing for the finance industry is that if I buy and hold and collect the dividends, they don't get to clip the ticket on me anymore and make all their little %'ges and fees. Poor them

I'm a dividend investor. Always said I can live off dividends, I can't live off hoped-for Capital Growth

CC
May 18, 2025

The trouble with dividend investing is people holding onto stocks that aren't GROWING their dividends and watch the share price fall as well. Telstra is a case in point, which so many people have held long term "for the dividends " but I'm glad I sold at $6.50 a long time ago.
Far better to own stocks that are consistently growing their dividends , as capital growth will very likely happen as well. At the end of the day wealth creation is about TOTAL returns, not just dividends. Compare CBA, CSL, REA etc total returns with Telstra over the past 10 and 20 years for example.

Mark
May 19, 2025

I agree... Should have mentioned we use VHY ETF for dividends and WHI LIC, so there is some diversification amongst that lot rather than individual holdings. We use another ETF, DHH,F for the growth side of the portfolio

Dudley
May 17, 2025

Does dividend investing make sense?":

Unknowable; requires knowing the future.

The question is: 'Did dividend investing make sense?'

That is knowable by comparing returns and volatility of:
1. a set of shares selected for average dividend returns, and,
2. a set of shares selected for larger than average dividend return.

For 1. I suggest example market fund ASX STW; an actual fund running for many years with low fees.
For 2. I select an example dividend fund ASX VHY; the largest such fund.

a. Go to https://www.marketindex.com.au/asx/stw
b. Under 'Chart', click 'Advanced'.
c. In menu bar click '+' 'Compare or Add Symbol'.
d. Enter 'VHY'.
e. Select 'VHIGHYIELD ETF UNITS'.
f. At bottom left of graph, select '5Y'.
g. At bottom right of graph, select hexagonal nut, select 'Indexed to 100'.
h. At bottom left of graph, click 'ADJ' until it remains grey.

The expand and contract the time period displayed on the graph.
The PAST relative performance of both funds is very similar.

Add symbol 'CBA'.
PAST relative performance dissimilar.

Trevor
May 16, 2025

You never know what’s round the corner. One day your luck might run out.

AlanB
May 16, 2025

Buying shares in quality Australian businesses for a flow of sustainable, ever growing dividend income to maintain yourself comfortably through retirement is sensible investing.

Buying shares, or crypto, or tulips with the intention of selling them at a higher price at a certain point in time is speculating.

Most people here are investors, not speculators.

Dudley
May 16, 2025

Withdraw dividends or withdraw capital? Huh?

Cash dividends and other cash income instantly convert to cash capital when deposited in a bank account.

Sold equity instantly converts to cash capital when cash proceeds are deposited in a bank account.

Withdrawal is moving cash capital from one bank account (eg business or fund) to another (eg personal).

Typically, FIRST part of cash capital withdrawn is from cash capital already in bank.

If a required withdrawal is greater than cash capital in bank then SECOND part of cash capital withdrawal is selling equity and depositing the cash proceeds in a bank account from where extra cash capital can be withdrawn to satisfy the required withdrawal amount.

A cash capital withdrawal requirement greater than the cash capital available PRECIPITATES sale of equity to create more cash capital.

A cash capital withdrawal requirement less than the cash capital available, does not precipitate sale of equity.

Income in excess of withdrawals is called SAVING.
Generally good for those with long longevity, less necessary for those with short longevity.

ivan fisher
May 16, 2025

"Worse still, if earnings and dividends rise over time then retirement income will grow. This pattern grates against the propensity for many retirees to decrease spending at older ages. "

Huh ? that makes zero sense . There's many reasons a retiree may decrease spending , having extra income isn't one of them
If surplus income is such a problem then they can donate it to keep themselves frugal

Rob W
May 16, 2025

The following statement just does not make any sense, "If the aim is to convert savings into retirement income support of spending during retirement, then dividend investing becomes quite dubious. Only spending the dividends received and not drawing down on the capital guarantees not fully utilising the savings. Worse still, if earnings and dividends rise over time then retirement income will grow."
How is it that any of these events happening is a bad thing? Surely, the above outcome is exactly what every dividend investor aspires to? I know I do, dividend income of $220k pa means I don't NEED to sell any shares. How on earth is that a problem?

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

Rob - Good luck to if you have accumulated enough assets to have $220K in dividends! (Which must be something above $4m in shares at current gross yields, depending on the portfolio. Let alone whatever other assets you hold.) Admittedly my arguments around retirement are not aimed at people who have accumulated more wealth than they reasonably want to spend. I don't think this invalidates my points, but rather places a further condition on them. Specifically, the objective for those who are quite wealthy may not be to convert assets into income, but rather what happens to their leftover wealth when they die. My mentioning of dividend investing potentially making sense under a bequest motive was getting at this. Your comment places another light on the issue. Geoff

b0b555
May 16, 2025

In my mind, dividend investing does a reasonable job of addressing 3 of the major risks in retirement, namely sequencing, inflation and longevity risks.

I'm happy with the approach.

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

But not the risk of the regret, i.e. that you die without having got as much out of your assets that you might have.

b0b555
May 17, 2025

Sure. But the risk of running out of money later in life might cause a bigger regret.

Alex
May 19, 2025

If the dividend income can sustain your life style without having to liquidate the capital, by definition you already got a lot out of your assets that you might have. You are not saying a retiree has to consume or spend all his/her assets before he/she dies for them to make the best out of it, are you Warren?

Alan
May 15, 2025

I am concerned that this article makes little mention of risk which is inherent in any investment. I believe all investors need to consider many other things including the trade off between risk and return before any
unresolved debate about dividend investing. I'd like to see a proper reasoned analysis of the debate about setting objectives, identifying what risk needs to be managed etc before debating investment strategy.

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

Alan - I have no disagreement that risk is highly relevant, and that it ultimately relates back to your objectives and failure to achieve them, and that investment strategy to meet those objectives and sits down the pile. My aim with this article was a lot more modest: to set out the for-and-against arguments for dividend investing as an investment strategy, with reference to how it is usually discussed. Only so many words are allowed in these forums. Geoff

Lisa Romano
May 15, 2025

Thanks for highlighting this debate. While it is true I vacillate over whether to draw down principal or use earnings, in the inflationary environment we are (perhaps) beginning to see wind down I have been forced to do both to keep up with the comfortable – but not overtly extravagant – retirement lifestyle I've carved out. I'm ever grateful I decided early in my career to save and invest, It is a strategy that has paid off handsomely and there is no finer state then independence, whether it be humble or not.

Sean
May 15, 2025

Invest in the book Motivated Money for the answer to the author's rhetorical question.

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

Dean - Did you not see that there was a link to a Firstlinks interview with Peter Thornhill in the footnotes to my article? Geoff

Kevin Buxton
May 15, 2025

If as you say, there is no definitive answer to the question you have posed, what is the point of this article?

Investing is fundamentally a simple process - buy at the bottom of the market and sell at the top, and wealth
" materializes ". Do the opposite and wealth " evaporates ".
The skill is in timing any decision to buy or sell assets as this requires an understanding of market behavior, which
comes with experience over time.

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

Buy at the bottom and sell at the top? I wish that I could do that!

K.Buxton
May 16, 2025

It's an aspiration, a mindset and believe it or not on some occasions i've almost succeeded.
Some investment " experts" actually advise investors not to pursue this approach which means you will never benefit from bargain buys or unexpected windfalls (unless by some stroke of good fortune).



Kevin
May 17, 2025

Ah,if only K B. Thankfully I'm in the cohort of people like Rob W.I find this article to be very strange

We are in a fortunate time,5 years after the COVID bottom roughly.Every chart has 1 yr,5yr and max (1999 start ). Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1999,and we did . However that 5 year chart,check it monthly and see how quickly things came back from ~ bottom.

15 may 2020 CBA $59.60 ,now ~ $170
15 may 2020. MQG. $105, now ~ $210
15 may 2020 WES. $38, now ~ $82.
How many did you buy,and when did you,or when will you sell them at an unknown "high".

That concept of compounding that just isn't understood at all. Decades of owning 3 good companies and using the DRP makes you very wealthy.

Commentators and experts? Have they ever actually bought any companies, ever?.Or is it a case of diversification is the only free lunch ( for them)
Is investing all about buying and selling ticker symbols?. Time in the market,or market timing?
You do all the work timing the market and paying tax and all the other frictional cost? Or just let the money do the work !!!!!.

The game is nothing like what people tell you when you are out there in the middle of the pitch with all the noise turned off,and iced water flowing through veins and arteries.

Going through a crash is terrifying,in hindsight they are all wonderful buying opportunities. How many did you buy?

Kevin
May 17, 2025

Having a lot of experience at this I can tell you the tricks your mind plays on you ,in the last ~6 weeks.I like Macbank ( MQG), watched it plunge quickly from ~$240 to ~ $205. First ( I think) Friday in April, tariffs will definately be coming in.Yeehah,this ( Mac) is falling of a cliff today,it did.I'll wait a day or two .Down $10 or so on Monday.Wake up Tuesday,have a look,down again,you beauty,around $170 I think. I should really buy them now,but wait, I'll go out on the bike and put the order in at the end of the day,it might fall further while I'm out.

So ~ 7.30 am Perth time on whatever date that Tuesday was I needed to spend $170K,to make 35 to $40K in very short time .Spending $170K isn't a problem,for most people it scares the hell out of them.
I didn't buy them,,and it seems as if they have not stopped going up since Tuesday @ 7.30 am.In the grand scheme of things it wouldn't register on the portfolio, the extra say $6,500 ( and rising ) annual income wouldn't matter,nice to have though.

How many did you buy,what is the unknown high that you choose to sell at?

Would it be better just to hang on to them for 5 or 10 years and reinvest the dividends?

Would you need nerves of steel to watch it it go from $240 to $170 and pull the trigger on it. S170K gone in 2 seconds. How difficult do you think it would be to get 1 decision right.Do you really think you would get the next decision right the "high" that you sell them at.

The famous words "simple,but not easy"

christian
May 15, 2025

I have been a smsf "dividend" invester for approx 34 years.(retired at 50yoa)
over this time I have paid myself a minimum of 10% per annum (sometimes 20% in a good year).

Originally I was very cautious but as I aged , and my family were well cared for in a financial sense, income "now' was what mattered to me, rather than potential growth.
Although capital growth has happened along the way, it has obviously not been at a level that if I had invested for growth and I have had the odd failures as well (3).
Of course these returns did not happen by accident, I have closely followed the market daily and have actively sort out opportunities as they presented.
It certainly kept my aged mind active.

Maurie
May 15, 2025

A very measured article Geoff. Thank you. The debate over whether income in retirement should take the form of dividends and/or capital gains is a vexed one and appears to have no end date. However, if the Hawke/Keating Government did not reform the tax system in the mid-1980s, I would speculate that the debate would be more one-sided in favour of capital returns. A Berkshire Hathaway model would have been very popular in Australia prior to 1985 but less so after 1 July 1987. The landmark changes to the tax system (introduction of capital gains tax and dividend imputation) have crept into the psyche of not only retirees but company directors over the years in the pursuit of the most tax efficient returns. Today, the concept of dividend imputation has mainstream acknowledgement amongst the retired fraternity and given the slide in interest rates over that same period, I would imagine that retirees have income from ownership (dividends) on a higher pedestal than income from lending (interest).

On the other side of the debate, the idea of having to partially sell an investment to provide a source of cashflow would come with a significant element of regret for these retirees, and in some circumstances (e.g. CBA) would be viewed as an act of insanity. Whilst the tax system has over the years introduced concessions for (realised) returns generated on capital account, there is still a psychological barrier associated with drawing down capital for consumption akin to the thought of "chewing you arm off".

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

Thanks Maurie. You make some good points.

Kevin
May 18, 2025

Well Maurie,I don't think there is any debate,it is a very strange and weird article. Having been in CBA since the start and comparing it to BRK for a long time now things pan out as. BRK US$8,000 around the time CBA floated.The banana Republic speech A$1 at US$ 50 cents,rounded .
So BRK @ A$ 16,000. The CBA float was scaled back so you needed to buy on market, @ ~ $6.
We'll say you got 2500 shares in CBA for $16K.

Every 1,000 shares in CBA bought then is now around 6,600 shares if you didn't take out the dividends and just reinvested them. Round that down to 6500.Multioly that by 2.5 and then round the answer down to 16,000.
With 1 share in BRK @~ $1.1 million? @ current Forex rates. 16,000 shares in CBA @~$170 each,round that down to A$2.7 million. My favourite part of investing'I'm doing nothing at all ,I just have to listen to people endlessly repeating "you can't do that". You must buy and sell ticker symbols,how can the financial industry make a living if you don't do what they tell you to do.

What would you like to do,carry on with the full DRP for CBA and sell shares for your income .Worry that living off dividends might be more tax advantageous than selling shares,or the other way round.

I really cannot see the point of this article other than repeat what the industry tells you to do

Alex
May 15, 2025

The point that dividend investing is a 'dubious / poor strategy for retirement' doesn't make sense at all. Why would an increasing earning/dividend become a problem even if one's spending decreases as he/she ages, especially in your life phase when you can no longer work to generate income?

Geoff Warren
May 16, 2025

My point is that it builds up income and probably assets that won’t get spent, the upshot of which will be leaving a large bequest. If this is what the retiree wants, then fine. But if they want to get as much spending out of their assets as can be reasonably afforded, it will undershoot what can be achieved by a long way. For that to occur, some capital needs to be drawn down along the way. Hope this helps clear up what I am trying to say.

Disgruntled
May 16, 2025

I'll be retiring at 60 when I have reached preservation age and will cease working and access my Superannuation.

With the likely $2.1M TBC when I'm 60, using a 4% withdrawal rate (minimum currently) will give me $84K

I could also have income dividend shares outside of Super to take advantage of the Tax Free threshold and have another $20K or so.

I don't need over $100K a year to live on. I'd likely have $30k to $40K surplus each year to spend n lifestyle and leisure, overseas trips to avoid Melbourne Winters planned for the first few years of retirement whilst still able and active enough to do the travel.

After that, the years will see domestic travel. Minimum drawdown will be 5%, all things being equal, Super will be worth more so income should now be higher and I will likely be at the stage where my expenditure will start to drop with the reduced travel, seen what I wanted to see.

Income should always cover my needs without eating into capital.

This could well change if in my 80's I need to go into aged care.. My father went into aged care at 87. My mother is 82 and lives on her own and is self sufficient, still drives, still mobile.. I feel confident that I will live into my 80's. Family genetics on both sides are for an 80's to early 90's life expectancy bar accidental death.

The income will give me a fulfilling retirement lifestyle, the capital will give me a buffer for medical/aged care if needed in old age and there will be money for my 3 boys on my passing.

Alex
May 17, 2025

I get your point, I just don't understand why having more income (or capital) than what you can spend would be framed as a bad strategy or an issue.

I appreciate different people have different views of what they consider 'enough', but I've never seen or heard anyone complaining about having too much income or asset in their lifetime (particularly in retirement phase) or in their bequest - would you rather have more money than what you can spend before you die, or risk outliving the amount you've set aside for your retirement?

 

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