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Why I dislike dividend stocks

Recently, I listened to a podcast interview with a guy who’s owned seven, 100-baggers. For those unfamiliar with the term ‘baggers’, it means how many times an investment has multiplied in value relative to its original purchase price. In this case, the investor bought shares which had increased by 100x or more.

That’s an extraordinary feat. Owning a single 100 bagger can change your life; owning several of them would transform your life.

He bought Amazon in 1997 and Nvidia in 2005, both at a cost-adjusted price of 16 cents. He still owns them and they’re up 1,380x and 1,159x respectively. In other words, US$10,000 invested at that original price would have turned into $13.8 million in Amazon stock and $11.6 million in Nvidia.

His other 100 baggers include Netflix, Booking Holdings, Intuitive Surgery, Mercado Libre, and Telsa.

The man who did this is David Gardner, the cofounder of the Motley Fool investment newsletter. Recently, he appeared on the ‘We Study Billionaires’ podcast to promote his new book, Rule Breaker Investing.

So, how did he manage to buy and hold so many high-flying stocks? As the name of his book implies, he did it by breaking conventional investment rules.

For instance, one of Warren Buffett’s famous quotes is: “The first rule of an investment is don’t lose [money]. And the second rule of an investment is don’t forget the first rule.”

Gardner junked that rule. He’s not afraid to lose money; in fact, he says it’s part of playing the investing game.

Gardner views investing like venture capital: if you invest in 10 stocks, there are bound to be some losers, but if you own big winners and hold onto them, the winners can lead to solid, if not spectacular returns.

“One of my big themes is losing to win. I think you have to lose to win in this world,” he says.

Gardner strayed from another conventional investment rule – don’t buy stocks that have gone up a lot in price. Instead, one of his tenets is to only buy companies which have had “stellar price appreciation.”

Gardner also ignored the commonly held maxim to not overpay for stocks. Conversely, he looks for companies which are broadly perceived to be overvalued.

The secret sauce to his investing though is to buy stocks that are first movers and leaders in important emerging industries. Gardner doesn’t want to own the second biggest player; he only wants the largest. In fact, he wants a leader that has little to no competition, and where it’s likely to remain that way.

He cites the example of Coke and Pepsi. Gardner steers clear of companies which have Pepsi-like rivals. He prefers owning businesses where there’s “blue ocean” ahead and no other companies around to crimp returns.

It isn’t for everyone

Gardner’s strategy means correctly identifying an important emerging industry. It means identifying the biggest player in that industry, and that they’ll remain the biggest player. It means being unafraid to pay up for a stock, say at a 50x or 100x price-to-earnings ratio. It also means being unafraid of purchasing a company that may have gone up 500% in the past year.

I’m not sure about you but I can’t bring myself to pay up for stocks, even high growth ones. And significant recent price appreciation is more of a red flag than a green one for me.

You’d also have to have a lot of fortitude to hold onto stocks as long as Gardner has. Think about how large Amazon and Nvidia have become as part of his portfolio. 99% perhaps? There aren’t many investors that could handle this amount of portfolio concentration and not be tempted to sell some stock along the way.

In other words, Gardner’s strategy is unique and isn’t for everyone.

Another approach

There are lots of different ways to make money. One approach that I like is to buy stocks that are consolidators of fragmented industries.

Say there are 100 companies that each have 1% share in an industry, and three of those companies manage to grab 75% share between them - that can prove enormously profitable for the consolidators. Increased scale can bring brand recognition and significant revenue and cost synergies via acquisitions.

There are many examples of this strategy being successfully applied both in Australia and overseas.

Here, the consolidation of the funeral industry is one example. Funerals leader, InvoCare, had stellar returns until it was taken private by Bain in 2023. The other key consolidator, Propel Funerals, remains listed.

Another example of consolidating a fragmented industry is insurance brokerage. There are many things to like about these brokers. Insurance is a relatively low-growth industry which limits competition. The insurance needs for a business can be complex and bespoke, and that makes relationships important and customers sticky. And since every business needs insurance, the brokerage business is resilient even in times of economic distress.

The kicker is that insurance brokerage both in Australia and the US was highly fragmented 20 years ago. That’s gradually changed though there is still more consolidation to go.

So far, it’s been enormously fruitful for those companies doing the consolidating. In the US, Marsh and McLennan, Arthur J. Gallagher, and Brown & Brown have achieved brilliant returns over decades. In Australia, AUB has crushed the index over the past decade.

Recently, I was doing a deep drive into these brokers in the US and here; specifically looking at Brown & Brown and AUB as investment opportunities. Brown & Brown had piqued my interest as it’s share price had dipped and it’s now priced at less than 20 forward earnings – not cheap but it hasn’t traded at these levels for a long time.


Brown & Brown. Source: Morningstar

The company’s return on equity (ROE) has declined to 11% over the past year, though has averaged 14% over five years, and I expect it to get back towards that level in future. It pays out little in dividends so if it can hit that ROE and maintain it, I think total returns of 13-15% per annum are possible.

AUB also has an ROE of 11% and I don’t expect it to deviate much from that in future. The big difference between Brown & Brown and AUB is that the latter has a much higher dividend payout ratio, at about 55% of earnings.


AUB. Source: Morningstar

Most investors, at least in Australia, would prefer a dividend paying stock like AUB to one that doesn’t pay dividends, like Brown & Brown - but I don’t. The reason is that my investment goal isn’t immediate income; it’s to achieve the highest, risk-adjusted return possible.

If that’s the goal, then buying the non-dividend paying stock makes more sense. If Brown & Brown can achieve an average ROE of 14% per annum (p.a.) over the next decade, then all else being equal, total returns should be close to 14% p.a.

AUB’s returns aren’t likely to get near that, not only because of a lower assumed future ROE (11%) but principally because it pays out over half its earnings as dividends. Doing this limits the compounding of its equity and caps total returns. Because of this, my forecasts for total returns for AUB are 8-10% p.a. over the next 10 years. That’s not shabby, though I think Brown & Brown offers better prospects.

Steering clear of dividend stocks

It struck me while investigating the insurance brokers that I actively look for stocks which pay little or no dividends. That's because the maths suggests that dividends can limit long-term wealth creation.

In this regard, David Gardner and I are alike: we’re both long-term investors who pursue capital appreciation rather than income.

Don't get me wrong - dividends have a place, especially for those who need income to live off, or to supplement their wages.

But if you're searching for 'muti-baggers' like Gardner and I, then it's best to pass on dividend stocks.

 

James Gruber is Editor of Firstlinks.

 

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41 Comments
James Gruber
October 09, 2025

Hi James#,

Thanks for the comments. Nothing against passive investing. A big advocate, in fact. But note that there's nothing passive about passive investing ie. how much to invest in Australia vs international equities, in bonds etc.

One thing I didn't mention in this article is how more Australians are investing in US stocks for growth and in Australia for stability/dividends. Yes, they might be chasing US equity performance, though the long-term performance of US stocks vs Aussie stocks stacks up ie. US has significantly outperformed over 10, 20, 30, and 50yr timeframes.

Also worth noting, Gardner isn't a fund manager and that may have worked to his advantage.

Hayden
October 09, 2025

Why not have both? I like the certainty of blue chip dividend payers. Reinvesting the income year after year knowing you'll have an income later on. We have access to the incredible power of full franking credit in some cases which only adds to a total investment. A 7% FF dividend is really 10% per year, without any form of SP appreciation. 10 years at 10% you've got a free ride on the entire portfolio. 20, 30? You do the math. Continue buying those stocks at the same time and it's a pretty sure-fire way to become wealthy

Also the speculative small and micro caps who sit undervalued at cyclic bottoms, all you really need to do is be patient and wait for the raging bull market (this is easier said than done when you're waiting years with little to no action)

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James Gruber
October 09, 2025

Hi Hayden,

Yes, why not both. To be clear, I do have some dividend stocks for income purposes - nothing wrong with that. I just don't expect these stocks to do the heavy lifting for me to build wealth.

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Mark
October 12, 2025

In a nutshell, if income from dividends is more than your living costs that put simply is enough wealth.
The big number that NET WORTH is, is simply tool for bragging rights.

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Hayden
October 12, 2025

That's funny. Because, have you ever looked at the XJO chart inclusive of dividends? You'll notice it sits as high as the SPX

Even stocks like Woodside, or DXS, WAM etc. Pretty poor performers, right? Well, take a look at those on the same ADJ chart while you're at it

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Dudley
October 12, 2025


"I just don't expect these stocks to do the heavy lifting for me to build wealth.":

Rare for minority ownership of publicly traded shares to "do the heavy lifting".
More usually, a large or majority ownership of private shares in a business / enterprise, with a large portion of profits retained / saved.

Jim
October 12, 2025

Hayden,

I'm scratching my head. Woodside has been a terrible performer, even including dividends. Over 1, 3, 10 yrs, it's -6%, -5%, 2% pa total returns, vs the ASX 200 of 12%, 14%, and 10% pa respectively.

Same time frames for Dexus total returns: 1%, 4%, and 5%.

Don't have figures for WAM.

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Hayden
October 12, 2025

10 years? Short term. Look from inception and tell us what you see.

WDS has done nothing for near 20 years now after catching the SPX from nothing, to everything in a short amount of time, not dissimilar to NVIDIA right now. What happens when NVIDIA fails? Commodities run. I believe the next swing is shaping up now, time will tell but if you bought the top 18 years ago you've only just broken even. Don't buy over extensions, look to where the cycles are and rotate your funds from the overvalued to under. (Buy low, sell high)

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Disgruntled
October 15, 2025

@Mark

My father told me many, many years ago, income is more important than wealth.

Wealth is just a number, perpetual income is what gives one their lifestyle.

Derek
October 09, 2025

Two comments.

It would be interesting to see how many flops were among his 'investments'. By the law of averages, with enough monkeys throwing darts at the S&P, one will eventually pick a few winners. Stripping out the element of chance I wonder what is left of actual strategy. Apart from holding on to those stocks that did well that is. Availability bias is great at picking experts in hindsight. Nobody is going to interview the 99 other investors that picked the wrong horses.

Secondly, a thousand bagger is of absolutely zero net benefit to him until he a)realises his gains by selling down his holding or b) the company decides to pay out the success of the company to shareholders.

Having said all that, yes I'd be happy with that portfolio as well :)

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James#
October 10, 2025

Peter Lynch, who delivered an annual average return of almost 30% for the 13 years he managed the Magellan Fund at Fidelity is also famous for his insightful words: "Go for a business that any idiot can run - because sooner or later any idiot probably is going to run it" and "know what you own". Interestingly today he owns no AI stocks. Too hard to pick winners I'd say and no doubt a bubble in the making!

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AlanB
October 10, 2025

"my investment goal isn’t immediate income; it’s to achieve the highest, risk-adjusted return possible."
As I cannot rely on expertise or luck to pick future winners my strategy to get the best risk-adjusted return would be to invest in the best performing index.
Over the last 20 years the best performing index has been Information Technology. I'm reasonably confident IT will do well into the future.
Then I would select some Australian domiciled ETFs that focused on IT.
Something like NDQ, TECH or FANG.
I think that is a safer strategy than guessing future individual winners.

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Burrow Smorgasboard
October 09, 2025

SPIVA findings suggest that only 20% of active fund managers outperform the index after fees. But forgets to mention that 0% of index funds beat the index after fees!

Peter Caloiero
October 09, 2025

This means that index funds beat 80% of the professionals (i.e the fund managers). What does that say about how poor the industry is for its customers?

As Fred Schweb wrote many years ago, “Where are the customer’s yachts?”

Stephen F
October 09, 2025

Interesting article James. David Gardner epitomises the philosophy of buying stocks with strong momentum, which in backtesting over the last 26 years I have found to be the only strategy that really works. However what is missing from the article is his long term record. Did his portfolio return 40% pa or 20% pa or 10% pa? We don't know and maybe he is not telling. As he says you buy a bunch of stocks and sell the losers and hold onto the winners. Selling the losers inevitably reduces your overall returns. I am not sure his method can be quantified because there would be a lot of judgment involved in whether to sell a stock. As Ben Graham said 60 or 70 years ago our industry is very poor at codifying our methods to hand down to younger generations.

James Gruber
October 09, 2025

Hi Stephen,

Don't quote me on it though I read somewhere that Gardner has returned 20.9% pa gross since 2005.

James

Johnny J
October 12, 2025

I've returned 20.4pa gross since 2011 using a hybrid of his system and opportunistic trading of the annual dogs of the ASX. But the overwhelming return has come from early buying and topping up of the growth Leaders.

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Steve
October 09, 2025

Yet again an argument in favour of index funds. Why? Because an index fund owns all the stocks in the index (once they are big enough to make the index). No need to look for the winners, you get them automatically. This also factors in skewness, where the bulk of returns in an index usually comes from a handful of big winners, and most people cannot predict who will win in new industries. Even Murdoch bought into MySpace. Who will be the biggest gainers over the next 10-20 years? Who knows. But they will all be in the index. And of course I can comfortably predict our big dividend paying banks won't be there - zilch growth.

Dudley
October 09, 2025


"If you're searching for 'muti-baggers' like Gardner and I, then it's best to pass on dividend stocks.":

Dividend recipient's marginal tax rate has an effect.
If 0% then dividends and franking credits can be reinvested without tax drag.

James Gruber
October 09, 2025

True enough, Dudley.

I deliberately didn't discuss the tax issue in this article, to simplify it.

Of course, dividends can attract tax and even if they don't, there are reinvestment costs attached.

Pip
October 09, 2025

Does the The SPIVA scorecard (S&P Indexes vs Active) tell us who are the fund managers with the best track record?

Would it be a good strategy to put money in those funds?

James Gruber
October 12, 2025

Pip,

No it doesn't.

Peter
October 09, 2025

Another Approach. Just read an article that discusses the possiblity that the growth in shares seen in the past few decades may not be repeated in the future. The reasons for this are 1/big governent and rising taxation 2/rising geo politcal tensions 3/globalalisation is giving way to nationalism and other factors as well. To find a "ten bagger" has always been difficult/a gamble and may be more difficullt in the future. Perhaps James it's time to reconsider and buy an old fashion LIC which has a history of paying a fully franked dividend!! At least that can be counted on.

Disgruntled
October 10, 2025

Chasing the multi, multi baggers is speculative though.

Why not have a core group of quality blue chip, fully franked dividend paying shares to play the speculative end of the stock market?

Kevin
October 10, 2025

"Most investors, at least in Australia, would prefer a dividend paying stock like AUB to one that doesn’t pay dividends, like Brown & Brown - but I don’t. The reason is that my investment goal isn’t immediate income; it’s to achieve the highest, risk-adjusted return possible.
If that’s the goal, then buying the non-dividend paying stock makes more sense. If Brown & Brown can achieve an average ROE of 14% per annum (p.a.) over the next decade, then all else being equal, total returns should be close to 14% p.a."

Doesn't this argument make the implicit assumption that AUB is the only alternative investment for the dividend payouts? If I can get 14% or (more/less nominal return) to a risk adjusted basis with the dividend reinvestment in a different security would I not be as well off overall and with a greater degree of diversification?

The Lizard
October 10, 2025

Interesting article and it's good to have a multiplicity of views. I am essentially a dividend investor and it's worked for me. I still have the first shares I purchased as a 14 year old 55 years ago and interestingly their CAGR over that time has been about 8%. So fine but not fantastic. The problem with multi baggers is that they are few and far between and there are many casualties along the way where your capital gets wiped out. I should know--I've been there! These multi baggers are generally exceptions to the rule and we remember the successful ones but forget the vast majority that sink beneath the waves.
The advantage of income investing is that the stock is usually priced within a sensible band rather than selling on hope. And if you reinvest dividends at the time of your life when you don't need the income, then compound growth sees your holding grow and grow. Then in retirement you can harvest the income (as I am doing now). Sure, I've had a 'multi bagger' with one stock held over 40 years increasing 600 times. But take it from me, that's a rare exception and it's why I remember it.
I spent my entire career in the securities industry and saw most things--and many crashes--and have concluded that while income investing might not be exciting, over the long haul, if you compound the earnings and continue to slowly invest each year, you will be rewarded.

Kevin
October 13, 2025

That's where your problem is Lizard. You understand compounding and patience. The neverending wish ( for me) of if only I'd started 10 years earlier. Instead of paying ~ $6K for 1000 shares in NAB in 1991 I could've paid ~ $1500 to buy a 1000 in 1981.An extra 10 years of compounding and dividends .

I miss out an an extra 10 years of people telling me every day that "you can 't do that ". A rough estimate from 1981 to now 11 to 12,000 shares in NAB by using the DRP. Compounding turns $1500 into 400 to $500K. It's a hard life if you let the money do the work .
Once again the site blocks me from posting so this probably isn't going up

Kevin
October 14, 2025

Just did a quick check. Anybody that bought the IPO in CBA in 1991 got 400 shares for $2160. Over that number was scaled back. Doing nothing and reinvesting those dividends as of yesterday you had ~ 2670 shares @ ~ $165 each. Call it a 204 bagger. Nothing has changed since then,people make up their own nonsense and invent their own facts,they get worse not better.

A workmate at the time ( all of them actually ) just repeated the same nonsense.I'll lose the money,the govt are selling it off because it is going bust. A few months or more later I was up 3 or 4K. He asked did you lose all the money then,you've been very quiet about it . No I said I'm up 3 or 4K ( I'd opened a broker account and bought more on market). Great he said,so you can sell them and give me half the money,I'm your mate. Nothing changes there.No I said ,I'll hang on to them for when I retire. I'd multiplied the shareholding by 2 and the price by 2 for 30 years and come up with a very rough estimate of what I thought they'd be worth and how many shares I would have.

That was the end of that,I was the greediest person he had ever met for not sharing my "luck" with him. Nothing changes. I should retire on the few thousand I'd made because I was taking a job that somebody else needed.That's the level of financial competence of most people,it only gets worse ,never better.Every day more made up nonsense and more of the facts they've invented for themselves. More of the I'm entitled to my fair share of what you( me) did.We'd all be much better off if I gave them money.

The BRK share price then was around US$8,500 so BRK is a ~ 87 bagger since then. So many people have invented ( made up stupidity) time machines since then. They just haven't let anybody see them. Nothing changes,put nothing in,you get nothing back out. Put something in and you can make a fortune

Dudley
October 14, 2025


"Put something in and you can make a fortune":

Alternatively, start with a fortune today and you can make a smaller fortune tomorrow.

Jeremy M
October 10, 2025

The article echoes the views of Warren Buffett, who has a famous disdain for dividends, with Berkshire having never paid a dividend.

Funny how people love to quote Buffett; less so when it comes to dividends though.

Dudley
October 10, 2025


Double taxation of un-qualified dividends from USAn companies.
Imputation of Aus company tax to shareholders.

Berkshire has a $1T capitalisation and deferred tax liability of $90G = 9%.
'Berkshire Hathaway holds about $314 billion in U.S. Treasury bills'
'Berkshire Hathaway paid a record $26.8 billion in U.S. federal taxes for 2024, the largest corporate tax payment in history'

Stan
October 11, 2025

Another WB myth.B-H paid a dividend in 1967

Theo R
October 11, 2025

Yes, Berkshire paid a single dividend of 10 cents a share in 1967 and hasn't paid one since, as Buffett said he regretted the decision.

John De Ravin
October 10, 2025

Very interesting article, James, thank you.

I suppose I am a little surprised though, as your preference seems to run counter to two of the established investment “factors” of the widely known Fama/French 5-factor model: “Value” and “Investment”. “Value” suggests that (on average, in the long run) low PE (or high book-to-market) stocks do better than “growth” or “glamour” stocks and that “Conservative” firms that don’t invest in asset growth as much as “Aggressive” firms (and therefore typically have higher payout ratios) outperform their “Aggressive” counterparts.

Having said that I would acknowledge that over certain time periods the “factor returns” can be negative, and that also if an investor has some special talent or insight that enables him or her to identify 100-baggers before the market catches on, a growth strategy could do very well.

Dudley
October 10, 2025


"seven, 100-baggers" ... "Owning a single 100 bagger can change your life; owning several of them would transform your life.":

Missing is what portion of total wealth was risked for how long.

A person whose wealth was $10,000 who risked $1 each on 100 investments, where 7 became 100 baggers after 50 years would not consider that transformative (other than fleeting regret at not having 'gone all in' in the 7).

The rate of return on the 7 would be:
= (100 / 1) ^ (1 / 50) - 1
= 9.6% / y

Charlie
October 12, 2025

Hi James

I would love to hear a podcast session between you and Mark "Mr Income" about income investing vs growth investing, and how these themes may play out given the context of uncertainty in global trades and growing concerns of AI bubble. Thanks guys

James Gruber
October 12, 2025

Charlie,

Noted, thanks.

Peter Care
October 12, 2025

In September I went to a conference where one of the presenters was Chris Leithner of Leithner and co. He was arguing that his research shows it is value based dividend paying stocks, which can increase dividends over time that provide the best returns over time. This is because you get both dividend increases plus capital gain as the rate of dividends increase. Of course you have to buy at a time when the stocks are out of fashion.

I guess this is the principle behind investing in the dividend aristocrats. The USA has many of these dividend aristocrats, Australia only has one (Soul Patts).


No
October 13, 2025

James,

I can't see the difference in divend payers and non-dividend payers (except in Australia). You can always re-invest the dividend in the same stock. The number of shares will compound over time. There may be a small drag on comissions if there is no DRP but that is minor.

In Australia the re-investing dividends has a bonus, you get to collect the franking credit every year on your tax return.

The reason dividends are optional in the USA is that there is no franking so that dividends are in effect taxed twice, once by taxing the profit of the company and once again by taxing the reciever of the dividend. The choice in the USA is whether the company thinks it can reinvest the money for profit or it wants to give the profit to the share holder to re-invest. Warren Buffet makes the right choice.

Finally, those ten-baggers will generate a capital gains tax when you sell.

Have fun investing!

Peter W
October 13, 2025

No,

Commissions and tax for those taxed above 30% can be a significant drag on total returns.

Much rather a good company reinvest their profits if that's the case.

 

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