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The missing 30%: how LIC returns are understated, and why it matters

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Recently, Firstlinks published an article comparing the performance of LICs and ETFs. It concluded that LICs have generally underperformed their ETF peers over a range of timeframes.

That may be true in some cases.

But before we draw that conclusion, there is a more fundamental question that needs to be addressed: Are we measuring these vehicles properly in the first place?

Because if we are not comparing like with like, the conclusions that follow will be unreliable — and potentially misleading for investors.

More importantly, they may be obscuring something else entirely: that some LICs are not underperforming at all — they are outperforming, and the data simply isn’t showing it.

The problem: an incomplete comparison

There is no shortage of data comparing LICs and ETFs. But much of it shares a common flaw: franking credits — a core component of LIC returns — are often excluded.

That might sound like a small technical detail. It is not.

Franking credits are a real economic benefit to investors. Excluding them is equivalent to leaving part of the return out of the equation.

The missing $3

Let’s take a simple example (which you can also view in this explainer video).

Assume two vehicles generate a 10% return from the same portfolio:

  • The ETF distributes the full 10% to investors
  • The LIC pays 30% tax, distributes 7%, and attaches 3% in franking credits

Yet many comparison tables present this as:

  • ETF: 10%
  • LIC: 7%

Conclusion: the LIC has underperformed.

But where did the other 3% go?

It hasn’t disappeared. It has been paid to the Australian Tax Office (ATO) on behalf of the investor and returned as a tax credit with real value.

Comparing 10% to 7% in this context is not a like-for-like comparison. It is simply an incomplete one.

‘Industry standard’ — but not investor standard

It is often argued that this approach is standard practice. That is true when assessing manager performance before tax. But that is not how these comparisons are being used. They are being used to answer a much broader question: Which investment is better for investors?

For Australian investors, that is inherently an after-tax question. And any framework that excludes a material part of after-tax return will lead to distorted conclusions.

Why this matters

This is not just an academic debate.

The steady narrative that ETFs outperform LICs — often based on incomplete data — is influencing investor behaviour.

Over time, that shapes:

  • Capital flows
  • Product demand
  • The future of the Listed Investment Company (LIC aka LIV) sector itself

If we measure things incorrectly, we will allocate capital incorrectly.

A call to action — and progress already underway

If the LIC sector wants to compete on a level playing field, it cannot rely on others to present its data accurately. It needs to take ownership of how returns are measured and communicated.

Encouragingly, this is not starting from scratch.

Industry bodies such as the LISTED are already working to improve transparency and consistency in how LIC performance is reported. That includes a focus on clearer, more comparable return metrics that better reflect what investors actually receive.

This is an important step forward. But it needs to go further.

At a minimum, the LIC industry must move toward publishing an Adjusted NTA Return Series which includes:

  • Dividends
  • Franking credits
  • Capital management initiatives

Because if the data is not clearly available, others will fill the gap — and they may not do it properly.

And if we want investors to make better decisions, we need to give them better tools.

LISTED has the platform to lead this. Now is the moment for the sector to align behind a clear and consistent standard for reporting LIC returns.

What proper measurement looks like: GVF — a real-world example*

So far, the issue has been about incomplete measurement — specifically, the exclusion of franking credits. That is just one example of how comparisons can become distorted. It is not the only one — but it is a significant one.

Even if we move beyond it, another limitation remains: Many comparisons focus only on returns, and ignore the risk taken to achieve them.

To understand performance properly, we need to consider both.

Below is a table showing the annualised returns, volatility and corresponding Sharpe Ratios for a range of popular Australian investments — many of which were referenced in the original Firstlinks article.

The original analysis focused primarily on returns. But returns are only half the investment equation. The other half is the risk taken to achieve those returns.

Risk is most commonly measured using volatility. While it is sometimes suggested that retail investors do not understand volatility, that feels overstated. At a basic level, the concept is intuitive: The more volatile an investment, the more uncertain — and therefore riskier — the outcome.

No single metric perfectly captures risk. But measures such as the Sharpe Ratio or Sortino Ratio provides a useful way to assess the quality of returns, not just the magnitude.

Put simply: Higher Sharpe ratios indicate better returns for the level of risk taken.

Table 1: The last 11+ years** of popular Australian Investments

Source: Author analysis. Please see this link for all downloadable data and source references.
Note: Sharpe Ratio measures return per unit of risk (volatility). Higher values indicate more efficient, higher-quality returns.

What stands out is that GVF ranks at the top on a risk-adjusted basis.

It is worth noting that GVF is used here for a practical reason: it is one of the few LICs where we can confidently present a fully adjusted and internally consistent data set. The broader point is not about GVF specifically — it is about what becomes visible when returns are measured properly.

GVF is not a large, heavily marketed vehicle dominating flows or headlines. GVF is, by any measure, a relatively small and under-recognised LIC — and yet it is delivering the highest quality of returns in this comparison.

This is not because it generated the highest raw return. It is because it delivered the strongest, most consistent returns with lower volatility relative to those returns.

If a relatively small LIC like GVF can outperform many of the most widely held investments in Australia — when measured properly — it raises a much bigger question: How many other LICs are quietly delivering similar outcomes, but are being overlooked because the data is being presented incorrectly?

GVF is not an anomaly. It is simply a visible example of what happens when performance is measured on a complete, like-for-like basis.

Because for investors, the objective is not just to maximise returns — it is to maximise returns per unit of risk.

The bottom line

Franking credits are not a footnote. They are part of the return.

Until they are treated that way, investors will continue to be presented with an incomplete picture.

If we want better investment decisions, we need better data. And if we want better data, the LIC sector — led by initiatives like LISTED — needs to lead the charge.

 

* GVF is included as the LIC example in this analysis because we can ensure the completeness and consistency of the underlying data. The broader argument is not specific to GVF, and similar analysis across other LICs would be expected to produce more representative comparisons where equivalent data is available.

GVF’s investment strategy is built around identifying and investing in discounted listed investment vehicles (closed-end funds) globally and actively working to realise that value. Half the investment team responsible for this strategy are based in London — widely regarded as the global centre for closed-end funds — and has extensive experience analysing these structures across different markets, regulatory regimes and corporate governance frameworks.

That background informs how returns are measured and presented here, with a focus on consistency, comparability and accurately reflecting investor outcomes. This approach has also been reviewed and agreed by the GVF Board, which includes experienced industry participants such as Chris Cuffe, Geoff Wilson and Jonathan Trollip.

A full breakdown of the data, methodology and sources used in this analysis is available here.

** The period covers GVF’s investment life as the author’s preference, this being 1 July 2014 – 31 Jan 2026. The author has also looked at 1, 3, 5, 10-year data which can all be found here. Also on the same page is where the data has been sourced and what assumptions have been made.

 

Emma Davidson is Head of Corporate Affairs at London-based Staude Capital, manager of the Global Value Fund (ASX:GVF). This article is the opinion of the writer and does not consider the circumstances of any individual.

 

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111 Comments
Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Perfect example John, thanks for sharing.

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Bob Johnson
April 02, 2026

Self funded retiree here so franked dividends are important and I have several LICs in my portfolio. My procedure is
1. Divide dividend % by 7 multiply by 10 to give effective % return. Some LICs give excellent returns. 2. Look at dividend history. 3. Look at retained dividend funds that guarantee future returns. 3 or 4 years are good. 4. Look at invested companies and present NTA. Gives idea of risk. 5. Wait for dip and buy.
Has worked very well for me.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Brilliant framework Bob, thank you for sharing!

Mark Robertson
April 03, 2026

+0.42857 x Company franking rate%
e.g. $1,000 + (0.42857 x100%) = $1,428.58 - 7.14 % return.
Company franked rate 75%
e.g. $1,000 + (0.42857 x75%) = $1,321.42 - 6.61% return.
Not all companies pay 100% franking.

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Dudley
April 03, 2026


"+0.42857 x Company franking rate%":

To reveal origin of 'magic' number:
= 30% / (1 - 30%) x Company franking rate%
= 42.857% x Company franking rate%

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Bryan Pirie
April 05, 2026

Thanks John, most interesting. I’m in a similar position with portfolio. LICs are often understated when compared with other investment options.

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Bill McGee
April 02, 2026

A point well made. Nice to see someone stand up for LICs. A truly underrated investment vehicle and GVF is a prime example of that.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Thanks Bill! Yeah, I felt it was about time someone said something good about LICs ;-)

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Phil Wharton
April 02, 2026

LICs are so out of favour in general, that there are good buying opportunities emerging in very reputable LICs.

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David Valentine
April 02, 2026

Great article Emma. You've very clearly explained that most comparisons are not comparing LICs and ETFs on the same basis. This means that the investor is not getting the correct picture - misinformation if you like.
I also agree with previous comments regarding TSR and volatility (although I suspect most people have an intuitive understanding of volatility).
Another aspect of LICs which is often underplayed is the ability to smooth dividends. This is a consideration for both growth investors due to compounding capital effect if reinvested and income investors as it gives some certainty of a continuing, and often growing, income stream.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Thank you David, it took me a long time to get this one together so I appreciate that feedback. TSR is very important and needs to be considered. Luckily GVF has always traded very close to NTA and so the TSR and portfolio returns are very similar but that is not always the case for LICs.

Paul
April 02, 2026

apparently in 27 years WAM has achieved 14.9%pa, yet the share price has gone from .70 to $1.69.. would love to believe that the balance was in income and franking credits, but alas the numbers are fanciful and apparently LIC's dont need to abide by ASIC regs on performance reporting in advertising.. especially the requirement to report performance numbers inline with what the client received ie. post fees.. there is definitely scope for improving the performance reporting of LIC's in general.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Let’s do it, with enough voices, things can change. I know WAM is one of the key groups championing this change and working on their adjusted NTA returns numbers.

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Phil Wharton
April 12, 2026

They have had a long time to do this Emma, and their reported returns are still misleading as others have commented. Surely reported returns methodology should be standardised across the LIC industry. Then we’ll see who’s swimming naked.

Monica Knight
April 02, 2026

Great article. Thanks for the explanation. It’s a timely reminder that headline performance numbers don’t always tell the full story.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Thanks Monica! Really appreciate that.

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Peter Aplin
April 02, 2026

Well explained and something ive always pondered when choosing whether to invest in an ETF or LIC. I do have a number of LIC’s, including GVF, in my portfolio and only a couple of ETF’s for absolute return.
The franking credit and risk are important components of any investment and thank you for exposing that

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Thank you for commenting Peter and thank you for being a GVF shareholder, it means a lot. I have always loved ETFs and think that most portfolio should hold them but hopefully the narrative can move from LICs vs ETFs to LICs AND ETFs ;-)

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Dave Bowden
April 02, 2026

A thoughtful and useful article about LICs and risk. Not being a learned financial analyst, the line of discussion seems reasonable but I can see most investors would not include volatility in their thinking, just dividends and imputation. TSR is also a factor which should be in there somewhere but again being a fairly basic investor these rations require some sophistication to manage the full picture. Thanks for the article.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Agreed Dave, TSR is very important. Luckily GVF has traded very close to NTA so the TSR is almost the same.

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Jon Kalkman
April 02, 2026

I've said for some time that franking credits are additional taxable income and every Australian investor benefits from them. Some taxpayers can use that additional income, held by the ATO, to pay some or all of their tax obligation. Some taxpayers find the income held by the ATO is money they don't have to pay tax on, because their marginal tax rate is low or zero, and they get a refund of that income. And yet this additional taxable income is routinely ignored, even though in most cases it represents another 42% income on top of the dividend alone.

It would be more honest if the income returns from Australian shares were quoted on a pre-tax basis because this is the taxable income that is the basis of an investor's tax return. It would be more honest, because the income returns from all other investments are always quoted on a pre-tax basis.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Agreed and this is why we need the LIC industry to each produce their own set of adjusted NTA returns. Let’s make it happen together.

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No
April 02, 2026

Good article. Franking seems always to be missing or misinterpreted in comparisons.

Another way franking impacts returns is in the dividend policy of LICs. Some LICs like to generate capital returns frequently and therefore generate profits and capital gains. These LICs tend to pay out higher dividends with franking. This has the side effect of the LIC share price not increasing greatly over time. Wilsons LICs are in this category.

An alternate approach his those LICs with low payout ratios that claim (accurately) they are long term investors so do not take capital gains frequently. You can identify these with the large gap between pre-tax and post-tax NTA. This means that their share price rises much more over time compared to the first category. It also means franking credits stay locked inside these LICs. A shareholder will be liable for much higher capital gains tax when they dispose of these shares and will leave franking credits inside the LIC for future shareholders. AFI, MIR, ARG etc, are examples of these LICs.

It is also interesting when corporate tax rates change. If the corporate tax rate goes down, the long term investor LICs have potential franking credits disappear into thin air. This happend in 2000-2001 when corprate tax rates change from 36% to 30% and most of these LICs did nothing about bringing capital gains to their profit account to generate franking for shareholders.

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noddy
April 05, 2026

Good article Emma. I'm an SMSF investor in pension mode and agree with all of the comments about the importance of franking. I went to your website to reasearch your fund but couldn't seem to easily find all of the key metrics that I always look for around long term performance, fees, market cap, holdings and so on? I'm used to going to a website for a fund and immediately seeing links to fact sheets that summarise all the key data (recognising that the premise of this article is that investors need to know when to look under the hood and understand that data isn't always presented consistently). I'm not suggesting that you're hiding anything, just that it seems like you might have a good story to tell but I couldn't find it.

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Trevor Waters
April 02, 2026

I manage my own SMSF and am a GVF shareholder. LICS comprise the vast majority of my portfolio. Franking credits and security of capital are my two major considerations before I decide to make an investment in any company.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Hey Trevor, thanks for your comment. Do you reckon younger investors 50 and below are using LICs?

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Bernie Hearne
April 02, 2026

As an investor in LICs I get really annoyed by companies who report returns before fees and charges. They say this allows them to compare performance against the index. But what is the point. If their performance was 2% above the index but after fees and charges I recieve 2% below the index, I would be better off in an index fund. I would like to see more transparency in reporting returns from some funds. (Many funds do have excellent reporting).

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Emma
April 02, 2026

I appreciate your frustration Bernie. Let’s encourage those companies to offer the after fees and charges numbers too.

Jim vB
April 02, 2026

Franking credits are such a significant part of any Australian investors return analysis, so excluding them from any comparison of returns is misleading.
A very well made point Emma Davidson.

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Emma
April 03, 2026

I appreciate your feedback Jim, thank you.

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Peter
April 05, 2026

Thank you Emma. I have both LIC's and ETF's.
Please correct me if I am wrong with the following but I find with ETF's you really don't know where you stand, from a cost base and CGT perspective. This is because of yearly cost base adjustments from the AMIT statement. With a LIC this is simple, the cost is what you paid, full stop.
But with an ETF you don't really have a clue until after you sell all and get the final AMIT statement.
Then there is the possibility of the yearly CGT tax from the AMIT statement when you have not sold any! All this makes managing yearly CGT very difficult with ETF's.
While ETF's can have good performance, for me CGT and cost base changes as well as the yearly accounting are all big negatives for ETF's.

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David O
April 05, 2026

Remember, if an ETF has invested in direct shares which deliver franking credits with their dividends, then the ETF will report those franking credits to the individual investor. They are not included in the ETF's published returns. So, let's ensure we are comparing everything correctly for both forms of investment.

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Emma Davidson
April 08, 2026

Agreed David. We included any franking for the individual in our numbers.

Stan
April 02, 2026

There is an additional (but non-quantifiable) advantage in investing in any listed fund where you can attend the AGM and raise questions about the managers approach to their investing and get some idea about their attitude to their investors.Good companies treat their shareholders with respect and are prepared to answer questions no matter how dumb they may seem.It is not just the tea and cake after,it is the chance for an informal chat with the directors that matters.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Could not agree more Stan. Having boards we can hold to account is such a brilliant part of LICs.

Jeff Convine
April 03, 2026

Emma's assessment is 'spot on''. Investors are not one bit interested in some theoretical 'industry standard' when it comes to dividends, rather, what concerns them is what lands in their accounts. Investors need, and deserve objective analysis upon which they can make logical choices as to where to deploy their assets.
As director of one of the nation's largest investment groups, Gold Coast Retirees Investor Group, I recently undertook an analysis of the ACTUAL returns and volatility of some of the best-known income orientated ETFs and LICs and found that in general the LICs outperformed, having as they did, a consistent franking component and a much lower volatility than their ETF cousins. Witness the performance of both asset classes in the recent decline in the ASX 200. As an example, many LICs (WLE, WAM. GVF) moved only marginally (around 3%) meanwhile the market more generally (including many ETFs) dropped closer to 9%. I am a very happy holder of many of Australia's top LICs. I explore the characteristics of LICs in some depth in my publication 'Flaneur' published last year for those interested in probing the topic more fully.

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Dudley
April 03, 2026


"ACTUAL returns and volatility":

Can see relative historic returns and volatility by comparing several shares simultaneously:

https://www.marketindex.com.au/asx/gvf/advanced-chart

Click (+) 'Compare or Add symbols'. For example, add 'STW' the longest operating EFT.
Click [ADJ], grey = (gross?) dividends included.
Pan or scroll graph to select time [ past ] period.

Regrettably does not yet include future share prices.

Emma Davidson
April 03, 2026

I enjoyed the ‘future share prices’ Dudley, if only eh.

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Baz
April 04, 2026

I got this bit Click (+) 'Compare or Add symbols'. For example, add 'STW' the longest operating EFT....but can'yt do this bit (cant find ADJ)?
Click [ADJ], grey = (gross?) dividends included.

Dudley
April 09, 2026


"(cant find ADJ)?":

Bottom right on vertical screen.

Emma Davidson
April 03, 2026

Thanks for addding that Jeff, most helpful. If anyone is interested, Jeff has written a great book called Flaneur where he has taken great care and time to analyse the LIC market in his own retired time. I recommend it.

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James#
April 03, 2026

"I explore the characteristics of LICs in some depth in my publication 'Flaneur' published last year for those interested in probing the topic more fully."

Link please?

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Steve
April 04, 2026

"Comparing 10% to 7% in this context is not a like-for-like comparison. It is simply an incomplete one." I find this statement interesting as it implies that ETF's do not carry franking credits, only LIC's. Of course that is not correct (or should I say incomplete). ETF's like VAS pay around 80% franking credits on their dividends, so the 3% gap is "incomplete". However I have also argued for a long time that franking credits should be standard as part of returns (maybe "gross return" as opposed to total return which allows for dividends but not franking) as they are real and end up in your account just like dividends. I suspect many of our outfits are US based and use US-oriented software and can't be bothered to add a column into their spreadsheets - those above have shown how easy it is to calculate, so why not just do it guys. And to remind those who have not seen before, Dudley shared a link to S&P which does show various franking credit adjusted returns (for varying tax situations) which would be a good approximation for many of the broad market indexed like VAS. It is https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/indices/equity/sp-asx-200/?currency=AUD&returntype=FT#overview

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Emma Davidson
April 04, 2026

Hi Steve, thanks for your comment. As I said to Adrian in the comments previously, there are 2 ways for LICs to earn franking. 1) franking is received from underlying positions. 2) franking is recieved because the company pays tax. In my example, any franking from the underlying positions is included in the portfolio returns and all my numbers. VAS has 80% franking because it owns Australia shares which earning franking within the portfolio. The exact same amount of franking would be want by a LIC with the same portfolio. My statement is isolating out the franking from paying tax at source. Only LICs do this and that franking is what needs to be included. I hope that makes sense.

Your suspicions are correct about data providers, they don’t know how to handle the franking but again, as Mark Lamonica and I agreed, more needs to be done by the LIC industry to provide this data.

In terms of the S&P data, again, it only includes franking from underlying positions. For a global portfolio like GVF, very little franking comes from the positions because GVF doesn’t own much auzzie stuff. It has however paid a fully franked dividend for most of its life because it has made a profit every year for 12 years and has paid the ATO. I hope that helps.

Maurie
April 05, 2026

LICs vs ETFs. It is really not a far comparison. One involves a company structure and one a trust structure. In the world of taxation they are not treated in the same manner. Companies are a separate legal entity and pay tax on company earnings as such and then make the decision on what to pay out and what to reinvest. Trust do not pay tax on trust earnings if all income is distributed to beneficiaries or unitholders. As a result, tax does not come into the equation until trust income is in the hands of the beneficiary/unitholder. The managed fund industry conveniently forgets to mention that element.

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Emma Davidson
April 06, 2026

Thanks Maurice, this is a very helpful explanation. The point of the Adjusted NTA for LICs is to show the true after all fees and expenses investment manager performance so investors might compare the investment manager performance within the company structure to the ETF performance with the trust structure. It’s a big job though for the reasons you list in your your comment. Thank you for engaging.

Phil Kennon
April 05, 2026

100% true that many products give highly misleading performance information. Wilson Asset Management Lics, for example, are major offenders here.
Quoted performance is before fees (which are unreasonably high) and other expenses. So these Lics look like they are performing ok. But most are not! Check for yourself with Google Finance.
But they get away with it. ASIC does nothing. All very frustrating.
Phil Kennon


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Emma Davison
April 06, 2026

Hey Phil, thank you for taking the time to comment. Different managers approach performance reporting in different ways, which can make comparisons challenging.

Personally, I think the most useful way forward for the sector would be a more consistent focus on adjusted NTA series as per my article above.

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Dobi
April 02, 2026

I am a self-funded retiree in pension mode with a number of ETFs and more LICs. The most important thing for me is what is banked so to ignore franking credits is absurd. Volatility is also important as has been demonstrated in February. I always read Firstlinks and comments for interest and to find community opinion but do not always agree

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Agreed Dobi, the FirstLinks community is very well informed and full of great wisdom. Thanks for your comment.

Mark Hodgson
April 02, 2026

A valuable article. I am comfortable using GVF as a cornerstone SMSF component - akin to higher risk version of bank fixed deposit earning substantially higher return. Dividends are predictable. Low volatility translates to stable share price tracking close to underlying NTA.
I occasionally refer to the Bell Potter monthly LIC Update to confirm my LIC selections remain appropriate. https://www.firstlinks.com.au/article/lic-reports-and-updates
It may be instructive for the above analysis to also include analysis of a large cap LIC (e.g. AFI) together with corresponding benchmark reference (XAOAI).

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Emma Davidson.
April 02, 2026

Thanks Mark for your thoughtful comment and for your support of GVF, we appreciate that. I’m really hopeful that AFIC, Whitfield and WAM will lead the charge on producing their numbers so that the above analysis can be shown for them as well. I know they are making great strides.

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Rob McKie
April 02, 2026

Rob Mc
I agree with John Aldous as a SMSF holder the Franking credits are important
as by other comments you can't please everyone

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Thanks for taking the time to comment Rob.

Ken Menz
April 02, 2026

Agree with the tone and conclusions of the original article. Another point in favour of LIC's is the discount to NTA (and corresponding increase in yield) that is often available. On the flip side, a change in discount/premium is a potential additional source of volatility.

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Dudley
April 02, 2026



Emma Davidson,

Please check if grossed dividends are included in:
https://www.marketindex.com.au/asx/gvf/advanced-chart
when [ADJ] is greyed.

The data that Market Index uses contains data to gross up so could be applied to all share data.

A graph displaying CAGR vs time would be useful:
= (Value1 / Value0) ^ (1 / (Time1 - Time0)) - 1

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

I can’t quite work out that data Dudley. The GVF grossed up dividend is 9.4c per share and has been for the last several years.

Dudley
April 02, 2026

Eye-ball: plot on identical axes, see if Market Index GVF diverges slowly from your grossed up shares with time.
Correlation: +100% = Market Index same as your method.

Susan Heath
April 02, 2026

Well explained. A good argument for holding LICs in your portfolio.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Thanks for reading and commenting Susan.

don
April 02, 2026

LIC vs ETF is comparing apples to oranges. You pay the LIC manager a fee to select and monitor investments. You pay the ETF manager an admin fee to ensure the portfolio equates to the index. The major Aust LIC's are inherently conservative, and have ignored high growth shares like FMG and Pro Medicus. Accordingly they have underperformed their equivalent ETF funds. The underperfomance reflects a conservative outlook rather than a failure of the LIC structure. Often overlooked is that the ETF's reweight to their underlying index every month/quarter, the prices paid on rebalancing lag the market to the detriment of the ETF investor.

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Thanks for the comment Don. All good points.

Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Appreciate your comment Don, thanks for taking the time.

Emma
April 03, 2026

I love a bit of debate, thanks Adrian! I could go on about this topic endlessly, I spent the first 12 years of my career selling the passive dream and relying heavily on the SPIVA data so I’m a believer like you. I go back to a comment I made a bit earlier:
Rather than living in a world of LICs vs ETF, let’s live in a world of great LICs AND great ETFs.
PS All my data above include all franking recieved, including that of the stocks and ETFs.
PPS If you want to reach out and have a chat about all this, please do, I love to be challenged on my thought process.

Knights of Nee
April 04, 2026

Great article Emma.
Would love to see the LIC think tank publish results on an after tax and after fee basis.
Vanguard manage to do this and use different tax rates which highlights the effects of tax and the benefits of franking in non taxed entities.

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Emma
April 04, 2026

Me too Knights of Nee, I want to see it happen too and it will if I have anything to do with it.

Emma Davidson
April 05, 2026

Thank you Noddy, this is excellent feedback and I’m sorry you struggled to find the info. All the info is on the website but clearly not intuitive enough which I will look into. We are a small completely independent boutique (4 PMs and 2 on the client and business side) so have to be careful with resources which means we haven’t tended to maintain a factsheet. We do however produce a monthly that we publish on the ASX every month which is a quasi factsheet. We put a huge amount of effort into this every month and we get great feedback on this. Here is the most up to date version of this:
https://cdn-api.markitdigital.com/apiman-gateway/ASX/asx-research/1.0/file/2924-03067926-2A1660056&v=undefined

In terms of answering your questions:
1. All our return numbers are here:
https://www.globalvaluefund.com.au/nta-returns
2. We then have a slide showing TSR and that looks like the carton graphic in the following 5 min summary:
https://youtu.be/uLDS8Itnvlk
3. You can find our fee disclosures here:
https://www.globalvaluefund.com.au/company-summary
We charge 1.50% per annum and a 15% PF with HWM and hurdle. We are probably one of the most expensive investments in Australia but also one of the best after those fees. Again, please note all my data includes all our fees and expenses.
4. Lonsec has rated us 5/5 and at the time of this rating earlier this year, we were the only LIC in Australia with this rating. You can read their independent report here:
https://www.globalvaluefund.com.au/lonsec-report

I hope that helps but if not, I’m always a phone call away. Just email me via the website and I’ll make time to give you a call w/c 13 April when I’m back in the office.

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James#
April 06, 2026

"We charge 1.50% per annum and a 15% PF with HWM and hurdle. We are probably one of the most expensive investments in Australia but also one of the best after those fees"


Wow! Why so expensive? More expensive than a lot of managed funds even! One of the best after fees, I assume is only comparing other LIC's not managed funds?

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Emma Davidson
April 06, 2026

That’s a fair question — and one we get asked from time to time.

Our view has always been that fees only matter in the context of what you receive in return. Ultimately, investors experience outcomes after fees, so that’s the only lens we think is worth focusing on.

We believe the strategy GVF runs — identifying and actively realising discounts across global listed investment vehicles — is quite different from most traditional managed funds. It’s also relatively human-intensive, which is reflected in how we’ve built the team and kept capacity constrained.

Encouragingly, the outcomes to date have been strong on a risk-adjusted basis, including periods like 2022 when many asset classes struggled.

Of course, none of that removes the need to continue delivering — and we’re very aware that we need to earn our fees every year.

A simple way to think about it might be:

Index ETFs are designed to give you the market return as efficiently and cheaply as possible.
GVF is designed to deliver something different — returns that are less dependent on market direction, and more focused on how efficiently they’re generated.

Different tools for different purposes — and ultimately it comes down to what an investor is looking to achieve.

Emma Davidson
April 06, 2026

Just a quick post script James #, I don’t know a lot of the managed funds in Australia but if you wanted to send me 3 of your top choices, I would be happy to look at their performance and work out the sharpe ratios for each so you can compare to GVF.

Emma
April 05, 2026

You are absolutely right, and you’ve highlighted one of the genuine advantages of LICs and their company structure. From an administrative and CGT perspective, LICs are undeniably simpler – the cost base is clear and doesn’t move, which makes life easier.

I also own index ETFs (I tend to favour low-cost index strategies only) alongside a LIC and other open-ended funds. I agree that LICs are the easiest to manage from a record-keeping point of view.

That said, with ETFs, while the AMIT regime does introduce some complexity around cost base adjustments and occasional non-cash CGT events, it’s not quite as opaque as it can initially seem. The annual tax statement ultimately captures everything you need, and most modern portfolio/admin platforms now track cost base adjustments over time quite effectively.

Importantly, those annual adjustments are typically the result of the structure doing its job — passing through income, capital gains, and tax attributes.

On the CGT point, you’re right that there can be taxable distributions without selling, but this is generally comparable to what happens in managed funds. With broad index ETFs, these events tend to be relatively modest and predictable over time.

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Jane
April 05, 2026

Emma, I am a little confused - you say a LIC passes through franking on dividends it receives and the franking from the company tax it pays on other income. What does an LIC earn other income on? Is that interest income on uninvested cash? I assume that does not included realised capital gains, as that would be better if it was received by me directly to offset losses, etc

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Emma
April 05, 2026

Hi Jane, great qurstion. LIC’s ‘other income’ can include things like interest, some unfranked dividends (for example from overseas shares), and also realised capital gains.

The way it flows through is the important part:
• Interest and unfranked income are taxed inside the LIC, and when paid out they can come with franking credits.
• Capital gains are also realised inside the LIC, but they’re passed on with a capital gains deduction, which is meant to broadly reflect the CGT discount.

You’re absolutely right though — compared to holding investments directly, you don’t have the same flexibility to offset gains against your own losses. That’s one of the trade-offs with LICs.

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Emma Davidson
April 21, 2026

Thakns for reading this Greg, for commenting and for being a GVF shareholder, it is all appreciated! Miles and I will shortly be at the ASA conference in Melbourne and I hope we can talk about a JV between the ASA, Listed and all LICs to get this adjusted NTA LIC performance out into the hands of investors.

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Chris Thaler
April 02, 2026

All well and good, but what is the detail about LICs that invest in some or all offshore investments. They will not as far as I understand accrue ANY franking credits unless they are taxed wholly within Australia. Please advise whether this is correct.

Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Absolutely right Chris. A fund like GVF which is 80-90% globally invested does not get much franking from underlying positions. We do however pay tax here in Australia and all LICs will be wholly taxed within Australia. GVF fully franks its dividend and have 5c of franking tucked away for the future dividends to be fully franked. Most of this franking would have come from tax paid to the ATO at the company level. I hope that helps.

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CC
April 02, 2026

not true. MFF, WGB, PGF invest only in overseas equities but pay full franked substantial
( 4 - 6% yields ) dividends, as do other global LICs

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Yes, because they pay tax in Australia, not because they get franking from their underling positions. Same as GVF.

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CC
April 02, 2026

true Emma, but how could a LIC be listed on the ASX yet not pay tax in Australia ? So I don't see any reason for Chris Thaler's concern

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

All great comments Dave, thank you. To confirm that every number above is after all fees and expenses so it's what the investor got into their pocket.

Emma Davidson
April 03, 2026

Hey CC, a LIC can’t be on the ASX and nort be subject to the ATO as far as I know.

FeralCat
April 02, 2026

Agree, TSR needs to be discussed in the article also

Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Agreed, thanks for the feedback.
Luckily for GVF, we have always traded very close to NTA and so our TSR and portfolio returns are almost the same. That is not the case for all LICs, agree.

Paul TP
April 02, 2026

It's interesting to watch current trends... the-ETF-complex in the current era of rising volatility (vs what gov'ts do in response if anything) and the ongoing tendency for a certain political base in Aus to disenfranchise the private investor.

paul
April 02, 2026

on what basis is it valid to compare the sharpe ratio for an individual stock to a diversified fund?

Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

I love this comment Paul, thank you. I think it's valid because it illustrates how vital diversification is in 1 number...

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Paul
April 03, 2026

Unfortunately many diversified funds have sharpe ratios equivalent to, and worse than, many individual stocks..

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Dudley
April 02, 2026

Google: "Volatility of portfolio as function of volatility of the component shares?"
The volatility of a portfolio is smaller than the weighted average volatility of the component shares when the prices are not perfectly positively correlated.
Some volatility of one share can offset that of another share.

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Emma
April 03, 2026

Completely agree Paul. Many funds are not at all diversified or run with low sharpe and sorting ratios because of this and/or poor performance. Some of the stocks in Australia have also been outstanding investments for many.

Julien Sanderson
April 02, 2026

Misinformation is NOT helpful, but investors should still do their OWN homework on any share they choose to invest in. However, to be fair to "time poor" investors, comparative tables should be accurate & called out if they don't compare apples with apples!

Mark LaMonica
April 02, 2026

I think “misinformation” is the not the right way to characterise this. As Emma pointed out in her article the LIC industry does not report returns in a consistent manner. That is a good first step and must happen before anything could change. But the industry standard is to report returns without including the benefits from franking credits. That is the way LIC returns are reported, individual share returns are reported and ETF returns are reported – which while a different structure than LICs pass along the franking credits from the underlying holdings. I do agree that investors need to understand what they are invested in and the amount of money that ends up in their pockets – I think investor education is the most important thing which is why I think Emma’s article was so valuable.

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Emma Davidson
April 02, 2026

Could not agree more Mark and thank you again for allowing me to write and publish this piece on FirstLinks.

Adrian
April 02, 2026

It is oversimplified to claim a missing $3 on LICs in this example. As Mark stated above, ETFs in Australian shares pass along FCs, and will often distribute at around 80% franked. Even global ETFs will pass through FITO which also benefit investors. So if the LIC return of $7 is really $10, then the ETF return of $10 is really >$10 with tax credits that flow through.

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Emma Davidson
April 03, 2026

Hi Adrian, there are two ways for LIC to get franking in and only one way for ETFs. For LICs, either the portfolio accrues franking on the underlying investments or the company pays tax at source. For ETFs or any other non company structure, the only way to accrue franking is via the former i.e. underlying positions. So no my example is not oversimplified. In your example, any franking the ETF has accrued through underlying positions will also be accrued by the LIC in the exact same way, it has to be, they are identical portfolios. The difference is that with the LIC, both sets of franking are bundled into the same overall franking bucket. It will be paid out as well to shareholders but is less obvious because LICs pay tax at source. The example stands, it’s not oversimplified. Thanks.

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Adrian
April 03, 2026

Ok then Emma, let your example stand but I think many readers will misinterpret this by grossing up LIC yields and comparing that to an ETF yield which in many cases also has tax credits. You are well and truly pointing out all the LIC benefits but seem to be omitting ETF benefits. I welcome more accurate LIC reporting as it will surely expose the underperformance due to excessive fees, complacent find managers who feel they have locked in capital, capital management initiatives that are often dilutive, etc. we already have SPIVA reporting which conclusively shows that most active managers fail to beat benchmarks. The worst case of all is for LIC investors who backed an IPO and almost always get hit with discounts that becomes permanent. I expect you may want to debate these points and we could debate for a long time but at the end of the day the FUM flows to ETFs versus LICs over the past decade is the reality. Thanks

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Emma
April 02, 2026

Thanks Jim, thank you for reading and your comment.

Michael Hannell
April 03, 2026

GVF has done a good job in highlighting the fundamental differences between LICs and ETFs and I will not repeat the many comments previously made.
However, I make the point that I still like buying LICs at discounted NAVs as for example if one is trading at 85% then you are effectively buying an asset valued at $100 for $85. Hopefully this asset's price will readjust in time to its NAV, but even if does not you will probably be able to sell it at or around the same price all other factors being equal.
Incidentally, I have a mixture of LICs and ETFs in my portfolio.

Emma
April 03, 2026

A man after our own heart! As you know, our entire strategy at GVF revolves around buying global LICs at a discount with a catalyst so yeah, I totally get your point of view. Thanks for taking the time to read and comment.

Kevin LS
April 04, 2026

I agree completely with the comments by Emma Davidson. Taking into account franking credits and risk are very important factors when investing. I am a recent investor in GVF and made the decision after my own research and recommendation by Henry Jennings in Marcus Today. There was also a very good article in Livewire recently. Morningstar has also had good articles recently regarding the future of LICs.

LICs have received poor publicity in recent years leading to deep discounts to NTA in recent years. Hopefully that trend will reverse so LICs like GVF and AFI will be more popular particularly with younger investors.

Emma
April 04, 2026

Wow, thanks for this comment Kevin and thanks to Henry for putting in a good word, that means a lot coming from him. I hope you get investors can come to love LICs too, they are fantastic structures and allow investors access to strategies like GVFs. I also think it’s vital that we support this space especially as the publicly listed market continues to shrink. We need more options for investors, not less hence my view that we need traditional Index tracking ETFs AND great LICs.

Jim Ross
April 06, 2026

An additional bonus for some LIC's is including a tax deduction when receiving a dividend which for some is a little confusing.
The "LIC attributable part" of a dividend is sourced from net capital gains on assets (not all) realised by the LIC and not all LICs qualify.
Treasurer Costello introduced this concept to allow a LIC to pass on the capital gains discount "value" to shareholders. As discussed above, companies are taxed at 30% for both income and capital gains (with no discount) where as managed funds/trusts could pass on the discounted capital gain to unit holder/beneficiary.
Hence it was an attempt to level the playing field.
Does GVF have a view on this?
A further minor benefit for some is that the dividend components of a LIC dividend is already known as at 1st.July and therefore there is no delay in submitting a tax return (compared to waiting up to 2 months for an income statement from a managed fund). This can be important for a SMSF investor in pension mode expecting a sizable tax refund.

Emma
April 06, 2026

And Jim, I love your last point in knowing the dividend well in advance of 1 July, this is a great point that is mainly forgotten about.

I love that this article has managed to give LICs a shout out and that the FirstLinks investors are so knowledgeable about the LIC space. Thanks to everyone for engaging, I am so chuffed I put in the time and energy to write this one. Please reach out if you would like to stay in touch going forward. I’m on:
[email protected].

Emma Davidson
April 06, 2026

That’s a great observation Jim — and you’ve summarised it very well, thank you.

The LIC attributable amount is an interesting feature of the structure and, as you say, was introduced to help level the playing field between LICs and trust-based vehicles by effectively passing through some of the benefit of capital gains tax concessions.

From our perspective, it’s one of several structural nuances that can influence investor outcomes, particularly depending on individual tax circumstances.

In GVF’s case, we focus primarily on generating returns through discount capture and portfolio construction, and the exact composition of distributions — including any LIC attributable component — will vary over time depending on how those returns are generated.

More broadly, your point highlights something important:
The LIC structure has a number of tax features — both advantages and complexities — that aren’t always fully reflected in simple performance comparisons.

And as you note, practical aspects like timing of tax information can also matter for certain investors.

Ultimately, these are all part of the broader picture investors need to consider alongside returns, risk and their own personal circumstances.

Jay
April 06, 2026

Thanks Emma, lots of things to consider in the different structures. Franking, dividend smoothing, NTA, a market maker to ensure liquidity. These all add to the difficulty of directly comparing results.

Emma
April 06, 2026

Hey Jay, it really is a lot, a full time job at times. But I have always believed that more choice is better than less even if it’s more exhausting ??

Nerolie BOWDEN
April 06, 2026

I’m always looking for articles comparing LIC v ETF and their “pros and cons”. I hold 7 LICs but a yet not ETFs as I keep coming back to the value of franking credits (now self funded retiree but was low income before that) and the fact LICs can taper Divs across reporting seasons if necessary. Didn’t know of GVF. Thanks Emma for the great comparison and yes agree better reporting of true returns can only help investors make informed decisions better.

Emma Davidson
April 06, 2026

Hi Nerolie, thanks for the comment — and great to hear you’ve built a LIC portfolio that works for you.

You’ve highlighted two of the key reasons many investors are drawn to LICs — franking credits and the ability to smooth dividends — particularly for those focused on income.

I think the way to frame it is less about LIC versus ETF, and more about what role each plays in a portfolio.

For some investors, that might mean allocating a portion of the portfolio to strategies that prioritise franked income and stability, and another portion to areas that provide broader market exposure or growth.

There’s no single right answer — it really comes down to individual objectives, tax position and how you want your portfolio to behave over time.

And as you say, having clearer and more consistent reporting can only help investors make those decisions with more confidence.

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Max Carr
April 10, 2026

A very good article Emma.
A matter not well understood by many investors.

Emma
April 11, 2026

Thank you so much Max, I appreciate that.

Greg
April 20, 2026

This is a great article from Emma (I am a GVF shareholder).

I feel there is an implicit benefit inside this proposal that should to be highlighted.
Too many LICs publish "portfolio returns before fees and taxes" and even compare their "portfolio returns before fees and taxes" with various Indexes - often with results that match or better the Index. This may provide a measure of the stock selection skills of the manager but totally obscures the subtractions from performance for fees and taxes to determine what the shareholder receives in their hand.

This proposal from Emma reports the assets in the shareholder hands and identifies what returns (after fees and taxes) are received by the shareholder. This upside here is that shareholders can readily undertake an apples & apples comparison of different LIC performance figures.

What a great proposal for transparent objective performance reporting. This seems like something, along with LICAT, that the Australian Shareholders Association could also be supporting for the benefit of retail shareholders.

 

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