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Should we dump stamp duties for land taxes?

Should we tax the land value component of property, or the entire property value, including the value of buildings on the site?

On this question, Georgists, who find deep insight in the analysis of 19th-century political economist and philosopher Henry George, come down firmly on the side of taxing land values.

When you tax something, you get less of it.

Since land isn’t going anywhere, taxing the value of land leads only to lower land values. But buildings can go somewhere if you tax the value of the property (land and buildings together); buildings can be built in other jurisdictions, their construction can be delayed, or they can be built at a different density or size.

Because land value taxes don’t change incentives, they are supported across the political spectrum. Right-wing economists like Milton Friedman and left-wing economists such as Joseph Stiglitz all support this tax base for fairness and efficiency reasons.

Wouldn’t it be better to raise more revenue from land and less from people’s work incomes?

I have also long advocated for boosting taxes on land and limiting carve-outs for owner-occupiers. I looked at the progress of the Australian Capital Territory’s (ACT) decade-long transition towards more taxes on land and found the outcomes to be favourable.

But I have also been cautious about substituting one tax on property for another. Stamp duties are a tax levied on property value triggered when a property is sold. But their economic incidence is fully on land (as will be explained later).

Why swap two taxes on property for each other?

Another popular property-for-property tax swap is replacing a property tax (on the value of land and buildings) with a land value tax (on the value of land only).

Is this a good idea? And most importantly, do home and land values go up or down under this tax switch scenario?

Given the popularity of switching from property to land tax, there is a lot of confusion about the likely outcome. Too often, we hear that “land value tax will solve this” without any justification. There is a surprising gap in our collective knowledge, as this X thread from Mike Fellman illustrates.

Let’s dig in and see what we can learn.

Taxes on assets reduce their value

Before we differentiate between taxing property or land, let’s dispel the misleading notion that either tax increases the cost of buying housing.

Think about other assets in the economy, like company shares (stocks).

Let’s be more specific and consider the example of two classes of shares in the same company. Class A shares have no ongoing holding costs. However, Class B shareholders must pay 10% of their market value to the company each year, like a tax.

Will Class A and Class B shares have the same market price, with Class B having an extra cost added on top due to the tax?

No.

The prices of these two shares will differ to account for the difference in expected tax payments.

Class B shares will be discounted relative to Class A shares by exactly the value of the future tax obligations (i.e. the present value of the expected flow of taxes).

This ensures there is no arbitrage in the market—at the prevailing price, the after-tax rate of return for a dollar invested in Class A or Class B shares must be the same.

Assume that both classes of shares earn a $1 dividend per year. Class A shares might trade at $10. With the 10% ‘share tax’ (like property tax) Class B shares would trade at $5.

The $1 per year dividend is a 10% after-tax net return on the value of Class A shares and is also a 10% net return on Class B shares after the 50c 'share tax' is paid (10% of the $5 share value). For each dollar spent on either class of share, you get the same rate of return for the same risk.

How property and land taxes reduce asset prices

Just like our two classes of shares, two identical adjacent homes with two different rates of property or land tax will have two different prices—buyers of the home with the higher tax will factor the cost of the tax into the upfront price paid.

The diagram below illustrates this.

The total height of the two columns is the total present value of the benefits of occupying the home. Buyers will be willing to pay a total cost equal to their total benefits because if there were a gap, another buyer could bid up the price to close it and still be better off from buying the home.

The left column shows a property with a low property or land value tax. The buyers of this property subtract the present value of that tax (the red portion) to determine the net benefit to ownership and pay the seller this value.

The right column shows a property with a high property or land value tax. Here, the buyers also subtract the present value of this higher tax and pay the seller a lower market price for the home (house and land).

Notice that since the construction/development cost of these two identical homes is the same (yellow portion of the bar), the effect of the higher property or land tax is to reduce the land value only.

Both taxes reduce the asset price of land. So when vacant land trades in this market, a tax on land or property will reduce its value by the same amount as the completed home value, which is a much higher proportion of its counterfactual land value under a no-tax scenario.

An example

Let’s put some numbers to the chart above using my home in Brisbane to represent the low-tax left column and see what would happen if a Texas-style 2% property tax were applied.

My home is worth about $1.5 million, with an assessed land value of about $800,000.

I pay $2,900 per year in council rates, which are a tax on land value. That’s a 0.34% tax rate on the land value (i.e. $850,000 x 0.34% ~ $2,900), and an equivalent property tax to raise the same tax amount would be 0.19% (i.e. $1,500,000 x 0.19% ~ $2,900)

Applying a Texas-style 2% property tax will reduce the market price of the property down to $937,000 because of the massive $18,750 annual tax cost. This will push down the land value from about $850,000 to about $287,000, a whopping 66% decline.

The downloadable spreadsheet here allows you to tinker with the effect of land value tax and property taxes on market prices and land values.

The extra tax amount in the Texas scenario, although levied on the value of buildings and land, has the effect of reducing land value without changing the cost of construction.

To raise the same $18,750 annual tax amount from just the land value of my property would require a 6.5% land value tax rate (nearly a 20x higher tax rate than the 0.34% that currently applies).

No wonder often Texas appears cheap in terms of market prices for housing assets—these properties come with huge ongoing tax liabilities. Their relatively high property taxes are equivalent to enormous land value taxes.

Shifting from property to land value tax

Either a property tax or land value tax can be levied on already-constructed properties and the effect is to reduce property and land values.

One big difference between these taxes is what landowners pay prior to development.

Before building a home, a property tax will apply at the same rate to the land value only. After the home is built, the property tax will be paid at that rate on the value of the land and the new building.

The diagram below shows how the tax amount changes over time before and after housing development.

The no arbitrage trading point in the diagram reflects the idea that a vacant piece of land must have a market value that ensures that when combined with the development cost of a home, there are no surplus returns above the expected risk (which is explained in detail in this FET article).

To put some rough numbers on it, consider an area with a 2% property tax where a typical home is worth $500,000 and home construction is $400,000. This means that the land is worth $100,000. However, before building a home the property tax is $2,000 per year, while after development, it is $8,000 per year, meaning there is a $6,000 annual tax premium for developing housing.

Under a land value tax of say, 6.5%, the amount paid before development would be $6,500, which doesn’t change when a home is built. This lack of change is why most economists argue that land value taxes are neutral in terms of changing decisions about when and what to build.

Do land values rise or fall when shifting from property to land value taxation?

With all this background in mind, we can now get to the heart of the question we initially asked: what happens if we shift from a property tax to a land value tax that raises the same revenue?

Does shifting the tax base to land make the land value go down as our intuition might suggest (i.e. tax land value, get less land value)?

No. It doesn’t.

If the same total tax revenue is sustained, but the base is shifted from property value to land value, then land values will rise, not fall.

Raising the same amount of total tax revenue from a land tax as was raised from property tax will, on balance, involve less revenue from developed homes and more revenue from large vacant or underdeveloped sites.

Less tax revenue from developed homes will increase home values. An increase in home values, without any change to development/construction costs, means an increase in land values by the same amount, and hence by a greater proportion (as we saw earlier).

I have tried to visualise this effect in the diagram below.

The lighter colours show the land value and taxes under property taxation. The stronger colours show the new scenario raising the same revenue from a land value tax base. The house price is higher due to lower taxes (yellow line) and the construction cost is the same (yellow area) hence the land value is higher under the land value tax.

However, the tax amount paid is the same for landowners before and after development, unlike under property tax.

Here’s where things get a bit subtle about the distributional effects of this tax switch.

The value of undeveloped large subdividable lots is derived from the value of each single housing lot that the site can produce, so owners of large undeveloped parcels of land face both

  1. rising market values for the lots able to be subdivided from their land, and
  2. rising tax obligations.

The tax shift provides these owners with a benefit, in the form of higher land value, as well as cost, in the form of extra taxes before development. This opens up an interesting question.

Is it possible that owners of large undeveloped land parcels are equally well off, or even better off, financially when shifting from a property tax to a land value tax?

In other words, do the benefits of rising market values of land outweigh the costs of higher taxes?

Here’s an example with some numbers attached to get a feel for the possible outcomes (I will dig deeper into this question in future articles).

Imagine a city or state has two properties—one is my house, and one is an adjacent vacant lot.

As we saw earlier, a Texas-style 2% property tax makes the market value of my home $937,000 and generates $18,750 of annual tax revenue. That same tax rate on the vacant lot next door with a $287,000 land value would raise $5,750.

That’s a total tax revenue of $24,500 in our make-believe town with one house and one vacant lot.

When we shift to a land value tax, that means setting a tax rate that raises $12,250 (down from $18,750) from my house, and the same amount from the vacant lot next door (up from $5,750).

The land value tax rate that does this is 2.36%. At this tax rate under the scenario in the above downloadable spreadsheet, the adjustment to a lower tax rate involves increasing the market price of the home from $937,000 to $1,170,000 (about 25%) and in the process, increasing the market value of the land from $287,000 to $520,000 (about 80%). The 2.36% land value tax on the land which is now worth $520,000 gives the $12,250 of tax revenue.

In this example, the cost to the buyer is the same. They pay a higher price but get a lower tax, but the all-in annual cost to buy is the same.

What about my neighbour with a $287,000 vacant lot paying $5,750 in property tax? Now, they have a $520,000 vacant lot paying $12,250 per year in property tax.

They got about $230,000 of land value in exchange for $6,500 per year in tax. Given prevailing yields, this cost is exactly equal to the benefit in present value terms (in reality the relativity of costs and benefits to owners of undeveloped land depends on the proportion of developed and undeveloped land in the tax administration region).

Shifting to taxing land values leads to higher land values, not lower values, as many might assume when they say, “land value tax will solve this”.

A similar analysis by Jan Brueckner back in the 1980s, showed that taxing property less and land more will increase land values, noting that “the level of improvements per acre rises, as does the value of land”. In other words, property taxes lead to lower density and lower land values, while land value taxes lead to higher density and higher land values.

The only way to switch from a property tax to a land value tax without raising the market price of homes and land is to levy a land tax at a rate that raises much the same revenue as the property tax for typical homes.

In our example case, the land value tax would need to be 6.5% per year, which would raise the same $18,750 from the existing home, but also $18,750 from the owner of the undeveloped housing lot next door. This would raise $13,000 more total tax revenue, all coming from the owners of un- or under-developed land who pay a lot more tax but get no benefits in the form of higher land values.

Of course, if more tax comes from land, this extra land tax revenue can be used to reduce other taxes in the economy, such as taxes on income. With higher after-tax household incomes, people will pay more to rent and buy homes, leading again to higher land values, which will be taxed. This feedback whereby taxing income less and land more allows the same revenue to be raised from the land tax is described by Georgists with the phrase all taxes come out of rents (ATCOR).

So what?

We often hear that taxing land values will solve just about everything. But like any rigorous economist, we must interrogate such claims, especially so when land value taxes are intended to replace other similar taxes on property.

Yes, land value is a fair thing to tax, and such taxes don’t face many of the implementation and incentive problems involved in taxing things like personal income. But this is also mostly true of property taxes, which also come out of land values (since land values are derived from the returns from use when developed) and are levied at a lower rate on the broader base of the value of land and buildings combined.

Focussing on swapping two good taxes that are incident on land seems like a strange priority to me, especially when a likely result is higher market prices of homes and land with the same total purchase cost for homebuyers (higher price but lower tax).

 

Dr Cameron K. Murray is Chief Economist at Fresh Economic Thinking. The original article can be found here. Subscribe to his written work at Fresheconomicthinking.substack.com. This article is general information.

 

27 Comments
Tony Reardon
July 19, 2025

The article would lead you to believe that there is a “Texas” land tax – there isn't. In Texas, there is no state property tax; instead, local governments set and collect property taxes based on the value of the property to fund services like schools and public safety. Unlike Australia, quite small communities fund their own local services including police and education.
Where I lived, in an outer suburban of Chicago called “Lake Forest”, the property taxes were very high but the services were excellent. People did not object to this because they could see that the money was spent to their own, and their family's, benefit. On my 20 min drive to work, I probably went through three other local areas all with their own local police.

Peter C
July 18, 2025

Great article and comments, But what happens to low wage earners and pensioners etc suddenly your paying $3000 a year rates and extra $2000 a year land tax with money they don’t have, Caveat the property? So in simplistic terms we are actually forever renting something people thought they owned as you can default and government wants it pound of flesh. I guess in the end all those who can’t pay the tax the property eventually sold off by the government when the owners passed away hence no inheritance.

Disgruntled
July 18, 2025

If they go the land tax option in the future, those that have paid Stamp Duty on the PPoR they live in, should be exempt from land tax.

It's one or the other, not both.

Abolishing Stamp Duty will bid up the price of property, the money not needed for stamp duty will be used to pay even more for a property.

Stamp duty is a once off for the property you buy, land tax will forever be paid and will for ever increase in price.

GeorgeB
July 18, 2025

"the money not needed for stamp duty will be used to pay even more for a property.
Stamp duty is a once off for the property you buy, land tax will forever be paid and will for ever increase in price"

So it's a LOSE-LOSE proposal with higher property prices PLUS a land tax that's never paid and likely to increase every time the govt runs short a buck.

OJ
July 18, 2025

The words "fair" and "fairer" are often bandied about by financial commentators and readers alike. Let's be clear that the meanings of these words are entirely subjective and should be rarely used other than perhaps in reference to legal matters. I appreciate that at least Dr Murray is making his points with data to back him up.

Think it through...
July 18, 2025

So, what exactly is a land value tax? At its core, it’s a tax imposed on the value of land itself rather than the buildings or improvements made on that land. This means that if you own a plot of land in a bustling urban area, you would pay taxes based on the market value of that land alone, regardless of what you’ve built on it. The rationale is that land value is influenced by community factors like infrastructure, schools, and public services, which should benefit everyone, not just landowners.

One of the key benefits of LVT is that it encourages efficient land use. By taxing land value, owners are incentivized to develop underutilized or vacant land. If the tax is lower than the potential profit from developing the land, property owners are more likely to invest in construction or renovation. This could lead to more housing options, parks, and commercial spaces, addressing the needs of growing populations in urban areas.

Moreover, a land value tax could significantly reduce the financial burden on working-class citizens. Since the tax is levied on land value, it would lower the tax burden on labor and capital, encouraging more job creation and economic activity. As cities grapple with the challenges of providing affordable housing and sustainable development, adopting an LVT framework could pave the way for a fairer and more prosperous community.

How Land Value Tax Can Change Our Cities for Good

Implementing a land value tax could have transformative effects on urban environments. For starters, it can lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. By ensuring that landowners contribute their fair share to the community, LVT can provide much-needed funding for public services like education, transportation, and infrastructure. This not only raises revenue but also fosters a sense of shared responsibility among citizens.

Additionally, LVT can combat urban sprawl by promoting higher-density development. With the incentive to maximize land use, cities could see a shift towards more vertical living arrangements, reducing the need to encroach upon natural spaces and agricultural land on the outskirts. This aligns with modern sustainability goals and can help mitigate climate change impacts by encouraging public transit use and reducing reliance on cars.

Finally, LVT can empower local governments to make long-term investments in their communities. With a stable revenue source, cities can plan for future growth and invest in amenities that enhance the quality of life for residents. From parks to affordable housing initiatives, the possibilities are vast. In essence, a land value tax isn’t just a financial mechanism; it’s a tool for social change that can reshape how we envision and live in our cities.

Stephen
July 18, 2025

Please provide just one example where a LVT has been implemented and evidence that supports the outcomes described.

Not one? Thought so.

Arguments for a LVT are an evidence free zone.

Those that push tax changes have an obligation to prove, not just assert, the benefits of their proposition. They also should be honest and outline the costs of their proposals and the implementation challenges. Without this those that ceaselessly push tax changes are just mere propagandists (usually with a vested interest).

James#
July 18, 2025

"Additionally, LVT can combat urban sprawl by promoting higher-density development. With the incentive to maximize land use, cities could see a shift towards more vertical living arrangements, reducing the need to encroach upon natural spaces and agricultural land on the outskirts. "

Interestingly, most people, especially those with children don't actually want to live in vertical dwellings in congested environs. The Ozzie dream of a backyard and some open space lives on. Perhaps if government wasn't so intent on pursuing a stealthy big Australia policy (to lazily prop up GDP,) urban sprawl wouldn't be such an issue and neither would the strain on resources such as schools, hospitals, energy and roads and for those so inclined greater carbon emissions.

Perhaps a better place to start is what population can Australia's resources sensibly sustain to deliver a homeostatic sensible balance for society? That would require true leadership, acumen and purpose beyond the usual shallow, craven political motivations of getting re-elected or elected!

GeorgeB
July 18, 2025

So what to do when "true leadership, acumen and purpose beyond the usual shallow, craven political motivations of getting re-elected or elected" is in short supply and the lazy option of propping up GDP by immigration has run its course and is pricing average people out of a home?

You cook-up a round table discussion on productivity, knowing full well that your union mates will not have a bar of improving productivity. Instead you go for the lazy option again by to softening up the population for more/higher taxes so that wealth can be redistributed rather than created while unchecked spending can continue unchecked.

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Trevor
July 18, 2025

If ALL residential property was liable for land tax then:
1. It should be possible to keep the rate low;
2. A government that increases the rate of tax unreasonably will be accountable to the voters come election time. Government needs to be able to be held accountable so it’s important that ALL residential landowners are liable for land tax thus making increases in the rate politically fraught for the government of the day. (I’m not sure why the ACT government gets away with it?)

If land tax replaced stamp duty it would make it cheaper for people to downsize and might actually incentivise them to downsize.

To be fair landholders should have the benefit of a land tax credit equal to the present value of stamp duty already paid on a particular property.

Feds could easily implement a federal land tax by piggy backing off the state land tax systems. Maybe use the proceeds to pay down debt. And pigs might fly.

Bruce
July 17, 2025

In the ACT land taxes have increased with the aim to eliminate stamp duty, but since inception of this scheme land tax has increased rapidly while stamp duty remains plentiful. Gov't says it needs more time ie 20 or so years?

michael walmsley
July 17, 2025

why not increase both S/D and land tax
research shows we can afford it !!!

Steve
July 17, 2025

Some spurious assertions. Higher land tax (how do many go from $3000/yr to $18,000/yr - that has been totally glossed over?) would allow lower taxes elsewhere (eg income tax). Except one is State or even local, the other federal. And can we trust governments (worse in Victoria) not to just spend even more - they exhibit zero discipline already. Looks just like another lefty tax grab. Of course anyone with a home is a wealthy person, so tax em more I say!

CC
July 17, 2025

No way !. Imagine how much higher the annual land tax could be in future, and how governments could rudely increase it to improve budgets ( as has happened in Victoria to landlords ). I've seen what's happened to my annual Council rates, up and up and up.

Wildcat
July 17, 2025

Struggling with increasing tax on a block of land actually increases it's value because a spreadsheet says so. This would indicate that the tax rate sets the land value??? I must be missing something as this goes against the Share A and B example earlier in the article.

Nevertheless, I agree stamp duty should be abolished, it is pernicious, has very strong economic disincentives, reduces economic activity and serves no useful purpose. A land value tax on ALL property does make sense, especially when there is a shortage of housing, notwithstanding the the land tax currently doesn't stop ppl accumulating lots of properties.

The ones that have an existing dwelling will scream, not unreasonably, that I paid my duties. If you provided a 100% discount that reduces by 5% per annum all properties would be on a full land tax scenario in 20 years. Hence people will not be discouraged from moving and will employ more agents, removalists, white goods and other furniture retailers which typically occurs when ppl change residences. It will increase social mobility and reduce the disincentives for the elderly to release nearly empty family homes to more age appropriate housing and free the house up for new families.

I can hear the bleating from the older cohorts in our society, the same ones that think franking credits should be refundable. People are living much longer than in the past, the cost of diagnostics, pharmacy and aged care are going through the roof. We need a better way to fund our social needs and the starting point is adjusting our tax system so we don't keep screwing younger people for the benefit of the wealthier older people and it is these older people who drive much of the cost into our comfortable way of life. BTW for reference I'm much closer to retirement age myself.

I just want a future that is fair and provides sufficient incentives for my kids and (hopefully) my future grand kids.



James#
July 17, 2025

"I can hear the bleating from the older cohorts in our society, the same ones that think franking credits should be refundable."

Perhaps it is better to remain silent, rather than reveal your lack of knowledge? (FYI, this is the polite version!)

Steve
July 17, 2025

Ignorance is bliss when it comes to the left side of politics and franking credits. No effort to understand at all.

Wildcat
July 17, 2025

Well why don't you reveal your wisdom to see if it stacks up to scrutiny?

Dudley
July 18, 2025

"reveal":

Franking (tax) credits arise from company tax associated with dividend payments.
Similar to wage tax credits which arise from employer tax associated with wage payments.

Excess of wage tax credits - assessed wage tax are refundable, as are excess franking credits.

Wildcat
July 18, 2025

@Dudley, the problem is everyone says big business should pay more tax. They presently pay 30%. The problem is ppl with an Account Based Pension receive 100% of the company tax associated with these big company dividends.

As a result, on these dividends, big companies pay ZERO tax but it's not their fault. No one can make an argument that makes any sense where it is permitted for companies to make a profit yet no tax is ultimately retained by the Commonwealth as it is refunded to superannuants. It's why OECD personal income tax collection percentages are circa 34% and the Australian ratio is over 60%. This totally discriminates against wage and salary earners (younger ppl by and large) and totally benefits older more wealthy people who create the biggest liabilities on the Commonwealth compared to the younger citizens.

Dudley
July 18, 2025

"As a result, on these dividends, big companies pay ZERO tax":

Correct, the shareholders end up paying the tax, similarly to wage earners.

"No one can make an argument that makes any sense where it is permitted for companies to make a profit yet no tax is ultimately retained by the Commonwealth as it is refunded to superannuants.":

I can. Government wants retirees to "be happy, don't worry", so either gives them fee money and / or tax free money.

Steve
July 18, 2025

"Well why don't you reveal your wisdom to see if it stacks up to scrutiny?" Hmmm. I have facts if that will do. First of all franking credits were introduced by the Keating govt. They were to address double taxation of company profits paid as dividends - income (profit) was taxed at the company level and dividends paid from what remained after company tax was paid. Prior to franking credits, personal income tax was then paid on the dividend at the marginal rate of the shareholder, even though some tax had already been paid at the company level. Simple example. A company makes $100 profit and pays $30 tax. The $70 remaining is passed on to the shareholder who prior to franking would pay the full marginal rate on that $70. Lets take the example of someone on $50,000 income. Their marginal rate is 30%. The old system would take $70 x 30% = $21 tax. So from $100 profit the government has taken $30 at the company level and another $21 at the shareholder level, for $51 of tax. So the shareholder on a modest income has lost 51% of their income as tax Even a Labor govt could see this failed any simple fairness test. As the shareholders own the company, the profit the company makes in fact belongs to the shareholders and any tax paid by the company is paid ON BEHALF of the owners/shareholders. Franking credits simply reflect this tax payment made at the company level and recognise it is a payment made on behalf of the shareholders. Read that sentence again as this is the crux of why franking credits exist and their role in personal taxation. With franking credits, shareholders declare the $70 dividend PLUS the $30 credit on their income (so they disclose the full $100 the company made from which the dividend was paid ON THEIR OWN TAX RETURN - this is often overlooked) and are then subject to tax at THEIR marginal rate, minus any credit for tax already paid. In the above case where the shareholder earns $50,000 (and is on the 30% marginal tax bracket) they owe 30% x the $100 they declared (as their share of the companies income) = $30 tax, minus the $30 credit, so they owe no EXTRA tax as the full liability on their tax was paid at the company level. If their marginal rate is higher than 30%, they make up the difference. If it is lower, they get a refund. THIS WORKS FOR EVERYONE. The only difference is the marginal rate depending on your situation.
In its simplest form, franking credits simply ensure that profits made by companies are taxed at the individual shareholders marginal tax rate. To think that some companies pay no tax due to franking credits is a nonsense, the tax is simply paid at the shareholder level. So at the end of the day from the same $100 company profit paid from which $30 tax has been paid at the company level, the funds paid to a part time waitress on <$18,200 will pay no tax on their dividends and get the full $30 refunded; a part time worker on $30,00 will only owe $16 tax (so get $14 refunded); a teacher on $100,000 will pay no extra tax on their dividend and a person on $200,000 will pay an extra $15 on their dividend. They all get the same dividend and the same franking credit, but depending on their circumstances, some get the full 30% refunded, and some get a bill for the extra 15% tax due (at the top 45% marginal rate). This is textbook progressive taxation. In fact its better as it takes income taxed at a flat rate and converts it to income taxed at progressive marginal rates. However methinks you have maybe conflated the role of franking credits with the actual marginal tax paid by various entities. That's another topic.

CC
July 17, 2025

If Stamp duty "serves no useful purpose" then you could say that about any tax.....
All taxes serve a useful purpose as long as put to good use. The issue is about fairness.
Land tax will keep going up and up and up,
( ask Victorian landlords ! ) whereas retired peoples incomes do not.

CC
July 17, 2025

Also removing stamp duties won't lower house prices. The market will just recalibrate prices up, and we will have forever rising land taxes to pay every year thereafter on top of the same high purchase prices. Sounds like worse off to me.

James#
July 18, 2025

"Well why don't you reveal your wisdom to see if it stacks up to scrutiny?"

Do we really have to go over and over this again and again? Not my unique wisdom, just the facts, and plenty of information on franking credits on Firstlinks for those willing to be enlightened . Jon Kalkman is more eloquent than me, very thorough and so a good place to start.

Perhaps search for an excellent 2023 article titled "Four experts clarify super tax and franking misconceptions"

An excerpt here (if I'm permitted), with acknowledgments to Jon Kalkman, (I hope he doesn't mind?)

"Stop perpetuating franking credit myths, by Jon Kalkman"

"There is a myth that needs regularly correcting that franking credits are a tax refund and that the refund applies only to taxpayers on low marginal rates.

Franking credits are primarily additional income. CBA recently announced a dividend of $2.10. If you owned 1,000 shares, your additional taxable income is not $2,100 but $3,000 because the $900 the company pre-paid as tax (30% of $3,000) before you received that dividend is also part of your taxable income. That’s why you need to ‘gross up’ the dividend in your personal tax return. Here is a simple way to understand what is happening:

- This additional taxable income is held by the ATO, so you have to pay tax on income you never received.
- As it is held by the ATO, it becomes a tax credit when you complete your own tax return.
- It is a tax credit so you can use it to pay some or all of your personal tax.
- If your tax obligation is lower than the tax credit, the ATO is holding some of your income on which no tax is payable and you receive a tax refund

It is just like an employee whose employer has overpaid their tax obligation through fortnightly PAYG salaries. A franking credit refund is NOT a refund of tax never paid, it is a refund of income never received.

At present we have a myth that a zero-tax pension fund collects $2.10 in dividend from CBA but also a tax refund of 90 cents ($3.00 altogether) even though it has paid no tax. It would be more honest if the income derived from shares were quoted as a pre-tax distribution (in this case $3.00 not $2.10) because that applies to all other investments and makes comparisons more valid. In that case it would be obvious that a zero-tax pension fund received $3.00 per share in income - because it pays tax on its income at a zero marginal rate.

And if dividend income was quoted on a pre-tax basis, it would be obvious that everyone was paying tax on their income from shares on the 'grossed up' dividend ($3 not $2.10) at their personal marginal tax rate - as they do now.

Moreover, every shareholder receives a $0.90 tax credit which can help to pay some or all of their tax obligations. That tax credit has the same value for every Australian taxpayer."

Quod erat demonstrandum!

Jon Kalkman
July 18, 2025

Wildcat, will you be the one to tell the taxpayer, who doesn’t use super, and who earns $230,000 from Australian fully franked dividends that they will have to pay $69,100 tax in future, because their franking credits will no longer be available as taxable income, held by the ATO to pay for, and cancel out, their tax liability on those dividends.
After all, if unused franking credits are not refunded, they cannot be used to pay tax either.

graham Blackman
July 17, 2025

House and land must be considered as a prospect for investment return. Land Tax is very difficult to pass on to prospective tennants, which may even force the owner to sell this property. An increase in consumption tax is a much
fairer way of raising funds provided that the lower income population are suitably compensated through tax relief.

 

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